DonkieKong's (it's on) Thread

Guys I am no longer able to do fasted cardio .. when can I use yoh if I want to move my cardio to post workout ?? How long before I use yoh can I take carbs as I am assuming I won't be able to eat carbs pre workout .... could I eat carbs morning and what about the isuilin spike from protein pre workout ??

Who long before gym should I have a meal not to effect the yoh

14 sept

Weight = 98kg

Guys just want to know ... I'm going to be in Cape Town about the whole Dec and really want to look my best and the sad thing is my cycle is done ..
I am not as lean as I would like to be for Dec

Is there anything that I could do to keep gains and lean out more until Dec or should I have planed my cycle better ???

I am thinking of the idea of doing a blast and cruse type of cycle up until end of year and taking off 6 months and then doing a new cycle

If this is going to be a huge f up please let me know because as I say this is a idea and i have no backup to this at all

So I will be running a trt dosage of 250mg cypionate per week or would enth be better ? (Test is test) and from what I have read about a blast and cruse type of cycle I am going to need hcg??

It's up to you. I think 250mg is a nice cruse. I would just do bloods every 3 months. The hCG you can go on feel, you probably won't need to start the hCG for a month or two.

I don't see a reason to blast ? Just stay on that dose.

Thank you pump

Could I ask you a few questions regarding the cruse

I want to carry on up until Dec and this is not just for Dec I am planing on my first competitive season on stage in 2016 and I want to lean down as much as possible and keep the gain I have made Now in my "off season" if I can call it that and then by Jan 2016 have a really hard look at my self and work from there

So questions

1. Hcg - at what dosage (250iu × 2 week) for how long on and of or stay on the whole duration of the cruse

2. Would it make any difference between cyp and enth

3. 2 shots weekly or one shot weekly (example like 1 ml on a sunday)

4. While on a cruse can I carry on running calories slightly belowe maintenance?

5. Will I need a AI during cruse ??

6. Is this time period to long on test to recover once I come off ??

donkiekong wrote: Thank you pump

Could I ask you a few questions regarding the cruse

I want to carry on up until Dec and this is not just for Dec I am planing on my first competitive season on stage in 2016 and I want to lean down as much as possible and keep the gain I have made Now in my "off season" if I can call it that and then by Jan 2016 have a really hard look at my self and work from there

So questions

1. Hcg - at what dosage (250iu × 2 week) for how long on and of or stay on the whole duration of the cruse
*** That hCG may become to much, at 250mg a week, as I said you will need to go on feel, if your nuts are like raisins you need more hCG, if they dropped then you taking enough or to much.. (Go by feel)

2. Would it make any difference between cyp and enth
*** No, I personally find less water on Enanthate over Cypionate, others find it the other way round.

3. 2 shots weekly or one shot weekly (example like 1 ml on a sunday)
*** Once a week is enough, I personally don't see a reason to inject twice.

4. While on a cruse can I carry on running calories slightly belowe maintenance?
*** You can but remember just because the gear is helping you stay anabolic it doesn't mean that your metabolism / and basic function requires more calories. If you immune system is starting to take a dive it's probably because you have reduced your calories to much, this will include sleep changes, lack of energy, mental dip, etc.


5. Will I need a AI during cruse ??
*** Only if you suffer from estrogen related sides, you can go with 1 drop of Letro EOD, keeping your estrogen slightly suppressed will help you harden up quicker, also prevent less fat deposits and the usual, water, skin, etc.

6. Is this time period to long on test to recover once I come off ??
*** Not based upon my personal experience, the hCG will help, and recovery might just need a bit more a tweak here and there...

Anyone else is more than welcome to update / disagree with my opinion and add any value they feel is required.

My answers are after the ***'s

Thank you very much pump

My calories are 500 belowe maintenance so that's 2600 cals at the moment

1) Don't want to page back, how many times are you training a week?
2) Are you training with longer intervals between sets (1-2 minutes) or (45 seconds or so)
3) Are you doing cardio days?
4) Are you dropping 500 calories everyday?
5) Are you putting in some cheat meals?

1) 5 time per week
2) I jump to my next set like 30 to 45 sec
3) I do cardio 5 days a week this week is been 20min post training cardio
4) I am keeping my diet at 2600 calories??
5) nope nothing??

Will I have water retention from the trt dosage ?? But I'm assuming that the letro will take it away

donkiekong wrote: Will I have water retention from the trt dosage ?? But I'm assuming that the letro will take it away

Minimal, if any. Letro would almost be too strong at that dosage because estrogen won't be too high. Maybe like 1 drop (0.1mg) of letro per day?

Pump suggested 1 drop letro EOD or should I go with ED

donkiekong wrote: Pump suggested 1 drop letro EOD or should I go with ED

Start with EOD and adjust accordingly

Should I start as soon as I start using the test again? Or as soon as I feel sides

donkiekong wrote: 1) 5 time per week
2) I jump to my next set like 30 to 45 sec
3) I do cardio 5 days a week this week is been 20min post training cardio
4) I am keeping my diet at 2600 calories??
5) nope nothing??

Ok, so go on feeling, if you feeling flat, increase calories the next day, and have a early night...

Have a cheat, it's worth it in so many levels

Every how many days ?? And just one cheat meal??

Hay guys im back

I am planning a npp 10 week cycle for jan

600mg test per week 10 weeks
450mg npp per week 10 weeks

Letro on hand

Is there anything els i would need for this cycle ??

WB

If your bodyfat is around 12% then go for something like this

Week 1 - 4 Anaps @ 50mg ED or sdrol @ 30mg ED or dbols @ 40mg ED
Week 1 - 12 Test Prop @ 150mg Mon, Wed, Fri
Week 1 - 10 NPP @ 150mg Mon, Wed, Fri
Week 8 - 14 Winstrol @ 50mg ED or Anavar @ 80mg ED

HCG in cycle with cabaser @ 0.5mg E5D / Letro on hand

PCT

@oupa , sir. If i go with testen 300 instead of prop would that change anything to the cycle besides the time that the enth would reach blood levels?

Which of the orals do i stand a chance of keeping 500g of my gain insted of pissing it out haha

My personal experiance with dbol = great pump , not to bad size gain or water gain , good strength gain

Superdrol = very bad without carbs , amazing with lots of carbs in diet , harden up very quick from superdrol and i get a "full" look to muscle bellys , good strength gain

Best choice or falue for money between winni and var ??

Hay guys i have a question

Can i run clen 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off , i know the answer is yes but my question is can i run FFF for the 2 weeks when i break from the clen and basicly use the FFF as a ECA and will the receptors still up regulate if i break the 2 weeks with clen while using FFF and 2 beta sleep tablets per night

Or should FFF be run for the full dosage non stop ?? Not sure if cycleing FFF 2 weeks on 2 weeks of will work

FFF has Synephrine which is Clenbuterol's baby sister. They work almost identical and on the same receptors.Because Synephrine is a lot weaker than Clen, it will obviously down-regulate a lot less. There is no reason why you can run the two compounds in the way you describe, the question is whether your receptors will recover enough in the two weeks to make it worth it.

So what would be the option now ??

I have no idea what to do right now or which compound to use and when please help

How would it work if i run the FFF for the full 30days and the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off alongside the FFF with beta sleep ?? Or what would work the same as i dont know now i feel lost actually

Or would my best option be to use each on its own

Do this:

FFF 3 weeks
Clen+Yoh 3 weeks
FFF 3 weeks
Clen+Yoh 3 weeks
Betasleep throughout

I am curious to the findings so please keep me in the loop.
Every time you start with Clen start at 40mcg for day 1, then adjust depending on how well you handled the sides.

Thank u very much pyro ill do this and ill keep u updated

Betasleep 2 tabs per night?

Going for a carb cycle diet with FFF and low carb with clen yoh

Could i have a few guid lines for the carb cycle diet or post my idea of what i think would work?