DonkieKong's (it's on) Thread

Sorry guys I'll get to the bridge again , for now I just please want to find out what is best post workout between whole eggs and tuna in water

Oky so this is what I have come op with studying my bridge

For clen to work u need to do quite a lot of cardio - insulin blunts the effectiveness of Yoh and clen and yoh work together

Yoh works best on a low carb or keto diet with fasted cardio

Oky so I have a few questions now:

(1) I'm not a big fan of fasted cardio as I believe that this burns right into muscle BUT with the combination of clen - Yoh - winstrol would fasted cardio be oky to do as these 3 compounds would keep my body anabolic and spare muscle

(2) Should I completely cut out carbs when I am in my bridge period ?? But the issue I have with this is where do I get the fuel or energy to fuel my workouts as almost all my workout fuel or energy comes form carbs

(3) How important is fasted cardio while using this combination of compounds

(4) I normally like to do my cardio after my workout as this has had the best results for me , so when do I use the yoh if I do my cardio after my workout because this would mean no carbs before my workout as the insulin from the carbs would effect the yoh

This is kind of embarrassing but that part about clen basically works with cardio is wrong and I changed it in my article. Apologies! Clen works well with exercise in general but it is not necessary for the clen to work like I was basically saying.

Cardio after a workout or fasted in the morning is best, but I would never before a workout.

Oky so could I do 30min fasted and 30min post workout ??

Or do I need more cardio , and how would I use the yoh with post workout cardio

I read in the muscle evolution book that when u split up your clen dosage through out the day you handel the sides better and clen is more effective

The CYC stack as I call is a bit of a hack.
Using Clen is effective.
Clein in combination with Yoh is super-effective.
Clen, Yoh and caffeine is super-duper-effective.
(Add in green tea or green tea catechins to ramp up effect even further)

Yoh is only effective when insulin is blunted, i.e. upon waking fasted. I've read that after a strenuous workout you reach a point where Yoh will again work, never employed this way myself though.

Clen has a relatively long half-life (compared to Albuterol). So you might as well take full dose upon waking and the time time it's evening it's mostly worn off and you'll have a good nights sleep.

IMO if you do fasted cardio upon waking and lift later in the day that would suffice alone. At one stage I did fasted cardio, then 3-4 hours later did cardio after weights workout. It sucked ass so bad but I got ridiculously diced (mind you my diet was stricter than nun's theology class and I was miserable company 24-7).

Pyroclasm wrote: This is kind of embarrassing but that part about clen basically works with cardio is wrong and I changed it in my article. Apologies! Clen works well with exercise in general but it is not necessary for the clen to work like I was basically saying.

+1 buddy, takes some real character to admit fault.

Welcome MM haha dude I missed you hay!

@ Furk - that sounds like a nice stack haha and I am adding winstrol to the stack aswell so I am actually expecting some awesome results and my diet will be very strict , I'm just not to keen on the idea of a diet with very little to no carbs but if it will be worth it in the end I will do it haha

Yeah DK in that case just stick to fasted cardio then. Cheers

@ furk - oky thanx bud will do , I'll add in cardio after my workout to so yoh will only be used for fasted cardio then?

Do you guys know which would be a better post workout meal replacing the whey ??

How long after your workout? If you are replacing whey, at least add in some BCAAs directly post workout.

I've found whole eggs are a good choice (if LCHF/ Keto) due to extremely high leucine content. If your doing the carb + protein thing, go for simple carbs and lean protein. Can be very flexible. Post workout meal is the only meal I really make an effort to use a protein source with high bio-availability and completeness scores. So top scores are eggs, milk, white fish, beef. If you can get hold IMO bison meat, kangaroo and ostrich are even better. But I take it you are in RSA, so ostrich meat is usually expensive.

Jip I am in RSA and I am in JHB area , I have family in the Cape and ostrich is quite cheap in the Cape but very pricey where I am from

And I don't like the idea of the whey anymore as my stomach gets very bloated from whey and I just can't fully trust any whey protein form any company as there will always be fillers and soy protein atc.

I'll have a look at a good or quality BCAA supplement but whole food I trust as they can't fake it , so most probably I will be doing whole eggs and simple carb directly post workout ASAP and then have 2 can's of tuna in water + a complexed carb 60min after my post workout meal that will be replacing whey

ON GOLD STANDARD

donkiekong wrote: And I don't like the idea of the whey anymore as my stomach gets very bloated from whey and I just can't fully trust any whey protein form any company as there will always be fillers and soy protein atc.

Not true. I've found a simple rule of thumb is to use products that are not sold in super markets/ pharmacies. From there, read labels. Easy-peasey.

ON is madley priced , I'll do the whole food like fillet does

Based on Protein alone you looking at 4 eggs to one scoop of ON.

120 Cal(ON):294 Cal(eggs)

Now post workout the added fat from those eggs are going to slow absorption of the protein, so you will have to look at using egg whites to drop the fat content.

For me ON is worth the price, although I cry a little when I Khoka I know what I'm paying for.

Mason Might wrote: Now post workout the added fat from those eggs are going to slow absorption of the protein, so you will have to look at using egg whites to drop the fat content.

Feel like we are derailing DK's thread but I have to interject.
Eggs alone raise insulin, whole eggs are more complete proteins and more bio-available than whites alone, the yolk contains the majority of leucine , most fats do slow down total meal digestion - but whole eggs are digested fairly quickly as far as I understand, slow digestion does not mean slow protein absorption. Average whey (w/ water) takes about 20min to digest where whole eggs (alone) takes about 40min to my recollection.

I'm not trying to bash you MM (you are a knowledgeable member) but not all types of the same macro-nutrients digest evenly. I'm not able to cite studies on the spot, sorry. Same goes for grammar, punctuation and spelling

When I was using whey from nutritech I used 4 scoops post workout , so using 4 scoops ON I don't even want to know what the cost would be for that , I'll try the eggs for now and maybe invest in a nice proper BCAA product

Furk wrote:

Mason Might wrote: Now post workout the added fat from those eggs are going to slow absorption of the protein, so you will have to look at using egg whites to drop the fat content.

Feel like we are derailing DK's thread but I have to interject.
Eggs alone raise insulin, whole eggs are more complete proteins and more bio-available than whites alone, the yolk contains the majority of leucine , most fats do slow down total meal digestion - but whole eggs are digested fairly quickly as far as I understand, slow digestion does not mean slow protein absorption. Average whey (w/ water) takes about 20min to digest where whole eggs (alone) takes about 40min to my recollection.

I'm not trying to bash you MM (you are a knowledgeable member) but not all types of the same macro-nutrients digest evenly. I'm not able to cite studies on the spot, sorry. Same goes for grammar, punctuation and spelling

Always open to new things bud so no offence taken at all.
However even with those estimated rates, it will still take twice as long... Not ideal, but certainly an option.
I shy away from eggs and tuna, too much of a good thing I guess :sick: :lol:

Haha MM has money to burn you rich boy you haha

Furk wrote:

donkiekong wrote: And I don't like the idea of the whey anymore as my stomach gets very bloated from whey and I just can't fully trust any whey protein form any company as there will always be fillers and soy protein atc.

Not true. I've found a simple rule of thumb is to use products that are not sold in super markets/ pharmacies. From there, read labels. Easy-peasey.

This I found interesting. Furk would you mind elaborating on this? So if I am right you say that you should never buy anything from these types of places?

Ok let me expand.
DK says he doesn’t trust any supplement company ‘cause of fillers and/or ingredients that bring down quality. I think that is way too broad a statement to make. There are, for sure, good supplements on the market. There are also good supplement companies that supply product to supermarkets and pharmacies. Can anyone of us accurately measure by exterior inspection which contain cheap fillers? No, but you can examine composition and fine print more closely.

My second part: because most of the product you find easily available (supermarket + pharmacies) are poor quality, I tend to avoid anything sold there. A lot is lost between all the marketing hype and advertisement. Stick to supplements in there most raw form, and who often sells such product? Mail order companies and smaller companies privately importing raw product. I am not saying “Do not purchase anything from these place”, I am saying “You often find sub-optimum and miss/over-marketed product here”.
Example: I am not bashing USN, there products, or their affiliates but I recently tried to get rid of some old USN whey by using as PWO shakes. This specific product states “100% Whey Protein”, but per 100g: 15g fat, 5g carbs, 68g protein (31% calories from fat). Where my regular source per 100g: 0g fat, 1g carbs, 91g protein.

Thirdly, and nothing to do with the quality of supplements, and working for a big corporate myself (one of the biggest most greedy on earth), I always try to support the “little guy”; smaller companies trying to make a success.
(1) They deserve a chance,
(2) healthy market competitiveness,
(3) maintain good business relationship.

Guys I'm deciding to get me bcaa from BSSA , but my question is what is better to take , BCAA or leucine ?

For the purposes discussed above, and for your aim: get BCAAs.