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And, before I forget, strenous excersize, can be one of the reasons for menses delay. Many female marathon athletes and other endurance sports athletes do not menstruate at all! It could be that the 3 mentioned subjects are just training much harder than before!
Especially, since they are taking a stimulant...

Does the above mentioned facts also count for males? I don't menstruate lol, but I experience total loss of my sex drive when I'm going low on bodyfat. Also experienced the same effects when over-training?

Another question that I have been pondering about is that when I dieted for competition in 2007, I experienced Diabetic-like effects for the last couple of weeks (+/- 3) of dieting and a couple of weeks past my show with normal eating. Effects included waking up with a very dry mouth, urinating more regularly, and feeling very dizzy all the time. I can remember the 1 night I woke up and it felt like my body was going into shock.... Completely disorientated... Ran a warm bath, felt better afterwards?

Sounds normal, or is there maybe an underlying problem?

Kraz, hope you are not menstruating, but if you suddenly start, contact me - I want to publish it in a Medical Journal of some kind!(lol)

Sex drive will decrease when on low fat diet, especially extreme low fat. Your body needs the cholesterol rings found in natural fats to produce testosterone from. Further more, your body is going through EXTREME stress pre-contest, that with emotional stress suppresses hormone production. Ask any dude that has a very high stress level at work, how many times he is bonking his wife in a month - you'll be surprised how little. Plain stress!!

About your \"diabetic-like\" symptoms - that's normal pre-contest. You are on a calory defeceite diet and your Sodium levels are at times not what it should be - hence the dry mouth.

About sesamin - it's an extract made from sesami seeds. Claimed to have numerous biological effects. I'm not familiar with it, go check out bodybuilding. com. Probably where you got it from. The guys at The Nutrition Lab knows about it - I asked them to look into it. I can't compare its effectivity yet - don't know what to compare it to with at this stage, but will try and find out.

Guys, I'm on leave the next 2 weeks - don't have computer with me - will only be able to respond to you questions in 2 week's time.

Cheers.

you say u can take clen and eca together...hmmmm thats tempting,the reason i am taking 2 weeks off the eca is i dont want to become immune to the stuff...can i take a fat burner that contains gugglesterones whilst on clen? will that help with the food cravings?

also another thing,what is a decent dose of synerphrine? coz there is a fat burner that contains 20mg synerphrine and 20mg of gugglesterones.if i take that will i still benefit from the 2 week break from eca in terms of my body becoming used to the stuff?

Synephrine is usually in a standardized dose of 6% Citrus Aurantium powder - this is the herbal form of Ephadrine. So, don't use Ephadrine the SAME time when on synephrine.
I have found it personally, and in litrature, that you start \"blunting off\" after two or three weeks of Ephadrine use. Usually, to have the same effect, further increases in dosage is needed and this is where the danger lies in Ephadrine use - you quickly hit nasty side effects.
I have not found this \"blunting off\" effect on the herbal form, synephrine.
Using anything that contains guggulsterones in it, is a good choice, as gugguls help regulate your Thyroid's(and preventing damage) T3 output.
Combined with tyrosine, it repairs damage to your thyroid tissues.
There is no reason you cannot use it the same time, stacked with Clen.

doc just a question,how many mg of synerphrine is the max daily dosage?? you say no more than 150mg of ephadrine(from previous thread) is there a limit of synerphrine? i am feeling some sides from my eca,i dont mind them but i didnt really feel those sides from synerphrine but had the same effect...

Most synerphrine is used as standardized dose of 6%. That means that 100mg of the synerphrine powder will contain equivalent of 6mg Ephadrine...
Do some maths.

aaaaaaaah ok i see,cool thanks doc...

Synephrine is not the herbal version of ephedrine,, It is a completely different compound. and is nowhere near as effective

Ephedrine is an indirect and direct acting beta agonist with relatively slight activation of the alpha receptors.

Synephrine is a direct acting alpha agonist with relatively slight activation of beta receptors, via release of norepinephrine and epinephrine.

Synephrine also raise your body temperature,, but it does not raise your metabolic rate significantly.,, ephedrine does.. the beta receptors are the key to burning fat.


The herbal version of ephedrine is ephedra.

The fat burning effects of ECA do not diminish after a few weeks, not like clen,, The side effects reduce,, but the fat burning effects remain, and some studies even say it will increase.

If you are using it for the stimulant effects they will diminish after 2 to 3 weeks,,, but for fatburning cycles of at least 8 up to 20 weeks are good.

Ephedrine works on Beta 1, 2, and 3 receptors... beta 3 receptors don't build up resistance.

Long term use of the ECA stack does lead to beta-2 downregulation. It does not cause rapid desensitization and/or down-regulation of adrenergic receptors,

After about long term use it will cause the beta-2 receptors on muscle and fat cells will be drawn into the cell membrane to reduce their availability. This is the cause of the loss of stimulatory effects associated with the ECA stack. However, thermogenesis is actually increasing through beta-3 receptor stimulation.

The fat burning effects of ECA will continue whether you use it for 4 weeks of 4 years

Actually Ephedrine is the syntasized version of Ephedra- which has been around since well depends if your an evolutionist or a creatonist.... but a good Ephedrine stack cant be beaten just dont be a knob like some of my friends and do 8 iu 's of HGH 8 caps of heat atleast 3grams of various anabolics , a few grams of coke some E and then let a emergency room doctor inject you with a musle relaxant TWICE to stop a nosebleed....can you say flatline.... he did make it by the way

hmmm ,, increased blood pressure from juice,, de-activated platelets from the aspirin,, then putting stress on your nasal passages with coke....... can't see how that would cause a problem

10 years ago I landed in up hospital from a nose bleed which would not stop even after cauterization,, I eventually had Nasal tampons shoved up my nose (something you NEVER want to experience) and had to stay in Hospital for three days on a drip.

Culprit == Making my own ECA by taking 500mg Aspirin,, 4 spoons of coffee and the back of a teaspoon of Ephedrine HCL ... thats how I learnt that 500mg of aspirin a day is way too much if you ever want your platelets to work.

I still prefer ECA to any other fat burning drug,, For me it has the best results with the least side effects .. Clen makes my hands shake too much. DNP's makes me sweat to much, and kills my workouts,, and restricting my calories makes me ratty.

If you want to concock your own stuff, do the following:
-take 2,5gr pure Ephadrine HCl powder(hopefully weighed on a lab scale), dissolve this in 100mls of purified water and keep in dark plastic or dark glass bottle. Dispense this at doses of 1ml 3 xpd evenly spread into your MRP's(it tastes quite bitter). Measure of the 1 ml with a syringe.
- take 1 - 1 and a half 'Lert tablet ( 1 tab has 90mg caffeine and 90mg caffeine anhydrous) - use this 3 x pd.
- use disprin CV100 (100mg enteric coated aspirin) 3 x pd. Actually, 100mg can be enough.

Combine this with one Kelp tablet(

Sorry, pressed the wrong key!

Combine with the one tab Kelp( Norwegian kelp) and Solal Thyroid Repair caps at one cap 3 x pd.

Use this on two days on and two days off.
See what happens...

Later, for more pronounced effect, push up the 'Lert tabs to 2tabs 3 x pd - don't do more than 360mg caffein at once, higher doses is not necessary, it stresses the kidneys and can lead to erosions in your bladder.
Increase the Ephadrine to no more than 2mls(50mg) of the solution to 3 x pd.

Use this regime every time at the end of your AAS cycle - it will help to kick-start the Thyroid, solidify gains made on AAS cycle, and thermogenically keep fat accumilation post-cycle down.
The days off of this regime, use Clenbuterol at 80 - 100mcgs per day for its anti-catabolic effect, rather than for its thermogenic effect.
You don't need more than 14 - 20 days of this cycle post-AAS cycle to help solidify gains made from the AAS cycle.

lol- love these forums.... if you want a real buzz Ill post a little atricle on cahnging Ephedrine into an amphitamine- actually pretty easy-all you need is first year BSC , some vials and burners-dammit I miss Uni (-, But I digress

Jeez bud, you really think that's wise? Posting a recipe on how to make speed?

Not really thus the smiley as in JOKE..... but then us chatting lightly around S3 and up medicine is prob the sharperst move either

Not a good idea to discuss any recreational drugs ..

Doctari ,, if I concoct my own stuff now it is a lot more scientific than I did it back then,, I like your recipe but with ECA there is enough pre-made good stuff around, and nowdays I'd rather explain a couple of bottles of capsules that say Thermo-Whatever on them than a bottle of ephedrineHCL ,, they have become so hardcore on ephedrine now,,,

What does the kelp do?

About Ephadrine - apparenty one Pharmaceutical Company had their whole shipment from overseas high jacked at the airport in Cape Town just a short while ago. The high jackers new pricely when to hit them - they use this stuff in the production of Tic. So, yes, there is a bit of a clamp down on Ephadrine of pharmaceutical grade...

Kelp is very rich in Iodine. Iodine combined with L-thyrosine and guggulsterones produce natural T4. T4 conversion to T3 is increased by Ephadrine and Caffeine(MethylXanthines in general has this effect) - Batman, see where I'm going yet with this... Like a factory machine - feed the machine in the rigth ground material on one side, and good grade products come out the other side.

Taking tertroxin,, so the Iodine / gugglesterones shouldn't't be necessary for me,, but it is an idea or when i come off.

Batman, if you are worried about the Thyroid suppression after longterm use of T3, look at the alternative I gave a couple of days ago - the one where you cycle the T3 2 days on and 2 off - on the off days you use Kelp and Solal Thyroid repair with ECA. This is what a lot of Pro's are doing these days in order not to negative feedback loop suppress the Thyroid that much with continous T3 throughout the year. They will then go on very high doses of T3(100-200mcgs per day) continuously for the last 6 weeks pre-contest only. The rest of the year they cycle as I have explained above.

Hey guys joined you forum today
some realy interesting reads
i'll be starting a cycle of revezine tonight

i just have a simple question
is it ok if my lady uses it aswell ?

There are many studies that show that Yohimbe is excellent for cellulite in women. Just remember that she will not need to use as much as you. And she might just start chasing you around the house a bit - if you know what I mean !

HAHAHAHA woohooo double the dose