Psy's First Cycle

lobo wrote: Psy I would start the Ai and adjust the dose after awhile based on how you respond to get to know your body a bit better and what works best for you as far as Ais go. Bro try not fiddle with your nipples too much.

Alright, let me do that then. I will start tonight with Aromasin and Nolvadex.
Will see how it affects me and if it does anything for what I am feeling by my nipples. I generally don't touch my nipples at all, just today I decided to have a feel out of the blue to make sure all is fine - I will leave them alone for a while now and give the AI drugs a chance to work.

PsyCLown wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Don't believe all th crap you read bro. Aromasin 20mg EOD for fighting gyno. It's gonna take 2 weeks for the Aromasin to be in full swing so for the first two weeks run Nolvadex 20mg ED alongside the Aromasin.

Thank you Pyro!!

Just one last thing, so I had another feel after I logged off the forums and when I was a bit more calm and it seems as if there is something behind both nipples - whether it is a lump or some other sort of tissue I am not sure though. I have to squeeze quite hard behind my nipples to find the "lump", if I just press against my chest and the nipple area I do not feel anything - even if I tense my chest and press against it then.

So re-assessing the situation - since I have not experienced any tenderness (sensitive to the touch / painful) nor is it itchy all the time, is it likely there is gyno forming? Should I perhaps just monitor it for now and what I am feeling is some other sort of tissue and not an actual gyno lump forming?
Or is it really best to add other drugs into the mix to be safe? Less drugs is often better, although if I need to add them I will and I certainly do not want to get gyno.

Stand in front of a mirror with your arms behind your back. Push your elbows as far back as possible. If you see a lump under your nipple then you know. Otherwise you are just being paranoid which is what I think.

Pyroclasm wrote:

PsyCLown wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Don't believe all th crap you read bro. Aromasin 20mg EOD for fighting gyno. It's gonna take 2 weeks for the Aromasin to be in full swing so for the first two weeks run Nolvadex 20mg ED alongside the Aromasin.

Thank you Pyro!!

Just one last thing, so I had another feel after I logged off the forums and when I was a bit more calm and it seems as if there is something behind both nipples - whether it is a lump or some other sort of tissue I am not sure though. I have to squeeze quite hard behind my nipples to find the "lump", if I just press against my chest and the nipple area I do not feel anything - even if I tense my chest and press against it then.

So re-assessing the situation - since I have not experienced any tenderness (sensitive to the touch / painful) nor is it itchy all the time, is it likely there is gyno forming? Should I perhaps just monitor it for now and what I am feeling is some other sort of tissue and not an actual gyno lump forming?
Or is it really best to add other drugs into the mix to be safe? Less drugs is often better, although if I need to add them I will and I certainly do not want to get gyno.

Stand in front of a mirror with your arms behind your back. Push your elbows as far back as possible. If you see a lump under your nipple then you know. Otherwise you are just being paranoid which is what I think.

Just did it and I was being paranoid then - thanks for that Pyro.
No lumps of any sort which I can see - except for my nipple itself

Less chronic = less paranoia. Jussayin... :lol:

Pyroclasm wrote: Less chronic = less paranoia. Jussayin... :lol:

Hahaha, not quite the case here though
At least now I know what to do should I ever be in the situation where I need to fight gyno though!

How is the cycle going so far Psy?

Aside from the Gyno Scare, I felt the same way a coupla days ago, but no lumps under my nipples. I think it must have just been an itch because i have no sensitivity or itchiness aside from the one time, I am in week 3 currently.

Day 24 today.

All is going well, I have veins showing at times which I still find a bit strange considering how much weight I have put on. Most of it water I guess. Definition in my stomach has decreased and I feel fatter around my abdomen.

Strength seems to be increasing steadily. Hitting PR's on a constant now.
ATG squatting 100KG, Deadlifting 115KG, DB press 30KG a side.
I am still doing weighted dips and weighted pull ups despite my actual weight having been increasing since I started cycling. So strength has gone up there as well.


I feel fine and normal. No "roid rage" and no increased sex drive or ego or anything of that sort. It all feels very natural, lol. If it weren't for the fact that I have to jab a needle in my ass it would seem quite normal and as if nothing has changed - except the weight I can lift going up at a faster rate. Feels like I can just stay on forever! lol I am starting to wonder how much it will suck when I have to stop and if / when my strength takes a bit of a hit.

My cardio is not what it use to be prior to me starting this cycle and I am unsure whether it is the weather or the substances I am taking / extra weight but I seem to sweat a lot more and easier. Especially my back and back of my head.

I needed to purchase new pants for work as my have gotten bigger and do not allow me to wear the pants I was wearing previously - so now there is more space around my waist but at least my legs are comfy.



I got an indirect compliment from a newbie at the gym yesterday. I was doing weighted pull-ups and he came up to me and asked me how I get my back "like that". I was unsure what he meant at first, although it seems as if he meant the definition in my upperback and being able to see the muscles a bit better.
From what I have seen of my back, I do not think it is a great back and has quite a bit of a way to go. I think I am just leaner than most of the regular gym guys and I was wearing a singlet of sorts so it was easier to see with me. Regardless I will take that as a compliment! ^^

hahaha Awesome stuff man.

I am on Day 17 now, 40mg dbol ED and 300mg Test E twice a week.

My strength has also Increased quite a bit. Able to benchpress 120kg comfortably, my deadlift has also seen some impressive gains aswell as my squat. I weighed in at about 89kg on my first day. and last night I weighed in at 95. I know it is water because of the dbol but damn it feels good to be over 95 considering it has been over 3 years since I have been this weight. I am also doing weighted bodyweight exercises and find them to be the same as when i wasnt on cycle. the veins are also starting to pop on my side lol. I am experiencing diff sides though. My sex drive is through the roof and I do feel extremely edgy some days. the veins are also starting to pop on my side lol.

As far as cardio goes I am also struggling a bit with fitness but that is one of the down sides iof the dbol I have read, your cardiovascular fitness takes a bit of a knock.

One thing I must say though, after i take my dbol i somehow get the urge to eat and eat and eat and eat. which is lovely because i can then get that much needed marcos down.

Well done so far and keep up the good work.

I weighed in at 53KG before taking anything and 2 days ago I was 58.9KG. I have never been this heavy before!

At first I use to get the same feeling with dbol, however now not so much. I feel as if I can fast for a good period of the day without much discomfort. I stop my dbol soon, so will be interested to see how that effects my physique as well as my strength... if at all?

Im just as interested to know whats going to happen once i stop the dbol lol.. I dont want this feeling to end to be honest haha

i-Physique wrote: Im just as interested to know whats going to happen once i stop the dbol lol.. I dont want this feeling to end to be honest haha

Well, I feel heavy / fat. Running back inside the house because I forgot something as I reverse my car out of the driveway is no fun. It makes me feel fat and heavy!!! I feel bad for the people who are genuinely overweight, I can now understand them a bit better.

So I am hoping I lose a bit of the water yet keep my strength, actually I want my strength to continue to increase and some of my water to go away. I am quite pleased that I have not had any acne issues yet (touch wood). A few spots here and there, but nothing serious.

So let's wait and see and report back after a few days of stopping the dbol?

I feel you bro.. doing cardio is like having to draw water from a rock lol...

I will also report back once I stop my dbol.

How long are you running the dbol?

i-Physique wrote: I feel you bro.. doing cardio is like having to draw water from a rock lol...

I will also report back once I stop my dbol.

How long are you running the dbol?

4 weeks, 28 days... Although I still have quite a few days left... Might extend it just to finish the bottle. Not too sure though.

I was also thinking of running an extra week.. but also will see how it goes...

Have bloods done to check your lipids etc and keep going if everything is within range. It's good to have your E2 and test levels on record too.

The only downside is that the prolonged shutdown can make it a bit harder to recover.

Eidolon wrote: Have bloods done to check your lipids etc and keep going if everything is within range. It's good to have your E2 and test levels on record too.

The only downside is that the prolonged shutdown can make it a bit harder to recover.

I had my test levels, LH & FSH checked before I started the cycle. A few months ago I had my E2 levels checked as well. Almost a year ago I got cholesterol (lipids?) checked and this is my first cycle and my eating has only improved since then.

So I have it all on record, although truth be told I do not think I will extend my dbol usage.
With regards to the prolonged shutdown, since I am and will continue to be running test for another 9 weeks or so, would running dbol for an extra week really make a difference in terms of prolonged shutdown? Will it actually play a role in shutting me down more?

I am also going to be starting my hcg on Saturday. A bit nervous about pinning that

Lipids (HDL, LDL, total) and triglycerides represent your cholesterol profile, yes. Gear and AIs can have a very negative effect on them. so if you did intend to extend your cycle, it would be good to make sure they aren't excessively elevated.

Dbol can kill your liver, and once the test has kicked in, you should drop it out of your cycle. It also causes water retention, which isn't great for blood pressure and appearance Another week won't shut you down longer - it will be gone long before you start PCT.

HCG is great unless you like raisins in your sack

PsyCLown wrote: I am also going to be starting my hcg on Saturday. A bit nervous about pinning that

It's a piece of piss bro, considering how far you've come already, you'll not have a pitfall. If you can pinch your skin, you've got some sub-Q to pin.



Remember the rules:

If you take HCG 5000iu and you reconstitute it with 2ml sterile water you will get:
2ml = 5000iu
1ml = 2500iu
0.5ml = 1250iu
0.4ml = 1000iu
0.3ml = 750iu
0.2ml = 500iu
0.1ml = 250iu
0.06ml = 150iu

5000iu hcg powder mixed with 2ml water = 5000iu in 2ml, therefore 2500 iu of hcg in 1ml, if you want 250iu you divide by 10, so will be:
2500iu(1ml) / 10 = 250iu(0.1ml)

0.1ml on an insulin needle is 10 units ... (always remember 100 units equals 1ml)

So for the guys using there hcg with 2ml mixing solution, you will be shooting 10 units (250iu) twice a week.

Keep well brah.

Whoa! So today was quite a day at gym, set out to try and set PR's on all of the leg exercises and managed to pretty much do that.

Squatting 110KG 5x3 (did one set of 100KG as well)
Hack squats managed to get to 130KG
Leg Press managed 180KG
Leg Extensions 75KG
Laying leg curls 40KG
Seated Leg Curls 45KG (I think)
Calves, changed the seated calves up a bit and went for 100 reps on lighter weight and adjusted form a bit.
Standing calf raises I couldn't go heavier without compromising form and/or reps.

Might not sound impressive to some of you, but I only weigh 60KG and I am full of water from the dbol and test!


My knees are feeling it a bit though, so I plan on picking up some joint support from Chrome tomorrow - I am thinking maybe the SSN joint support? Is that any good or is there another product I should go for?
I want to get capsules and not tablets.

EDIT: Yesterday I did a random testicle check and they are getting smaller - although I am starting hcg on Saturday so that should sort me out? If not increase their size, at least prevent them from getting smaller during this cycle I believe?

PsyCLown wrote: EDIT: Yesterday I did a random testicle check and they are getting smaller..

Random Testicle Check AKA touching yourself AKA playing with yourself AKA non-phallic self-stimulation AKA ball coddling



Jokes aside congrats on the lifts bro, that's momentus! And what you did comparing to your bodyweight is the right way to gauge yourself. I can remember last year when I was 58kg I hit 200 on leg press before HRT (9.2 pmol/l Free test). That makes no mathematical sense. That's why it felt so goooood!

Seated leg curls though, I've never managed to do them, always feel like I'm going to propel myself through the roof. If you ever notice your hams lagging behind your quads, start doing stif-leg deadlifts. The stretch aspect is phenomenal stimulas. Stretching intra-set is underrated.

Furk wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: EDIT: Yesterday I did a random testicle check and they are getting smaller..

Random Testicle Check AKA touching yourself AKA playing with yourself AKA non-phallic self-stimulation AKA ball coddling



Jokes aside congrats on the lifts bro, that's momentus! And what you did comparing to your bodyweight is the right way to gauge yourself. I can remember last year when I was 58kg I hit 200 on leg press before HRT (9.2 pmol/l Free test). That makes no mathematical sense. That's why it felt so goooood!

Seated leg curls though, I've never managed to do them, always feel like I'm going to propel myself through the roof. If you ever notice your hams lagging behind your quads, start doing stif-leg deadlifts. The stretch aspect is phenomenal stimulas. Stretching intra-set is underrated.

I actually have started noticing my hammies lagging a bit, so started doing Romanian deadlifts I think (where you bend your knees a bit) as opposed to stiff legged deadlifts where you just bend your ass and knees back if I am not mistaken?
I do notice quite a lot of lower back activity when doing this - despite keeping my back straight. I think that is expected though. I do not have much experience with romanian deadlifts and stiff legged deadlifts.
At first I struggled to feel much, but now it feels as if I can perform it in such a way that I feel the stretch with ease.

Furk wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: EDIT: Yesterday I did a random testicle check and they are getting smaller..

Random Testicle Check AKA touching yourself AKA playing with yourself AKA non-phallic self-stimulation AKA ball coddling



Jokes aside congrats on the lifts bro, that's momentus! And what you did comparing to your bodyweight is the right way to gauge yourself. I can remember last year when I was 58kg I hit 200 on leg press before HRT (9.2 pmol/l Free test). That makes no mathematical sense. That's why it felt so goooood!

Seated leg curls though, I've never managed to do them, always feel like I'm going to propel myself through the roof. If you ever notice your hams lagging behind your quads, start doing stif-leg deadlifts. The stretch aspect is phenomenal stimulas. Stretching intra-set is underrated.

Just watch your lower back when doing stiff legged deadlifts as it will FUDGE up your back! Do them with a tight belt and if you feel any strain on your lower back then go lighter. In any case the point is not to go heavy but rather to stretch and squeeze the muscle.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Furk wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: EDIT: Yesterday I did a random testicle check and they are getting smaller..

Random Testicle Check AKA touching yourself AKA playing with yourself AKA non-phallic self-stimulation AKA ball coddling



Jokes aside congrats on the lifts bro, that's momentus! And what you did comparing to your bodyweight is the right way to gauge yourself. I can remember last year when I was 58kg I hit 200 on leg press before HRT (9.2 pmol/l Free test). That makes no mathematical sense. That's why it felt so goooood!

Seated leg curls though, I've never managed to do them, always feel like I'm going to propel myself through the roof. If you ever notice your hams lagging behind your quads, start doing stif-leg deadlifts. The stretch aspect is phenomenal stimulas. Stretching intra-set is underrated.

Just watch your lower back when doing stiff legged deadlifts as it will FUDGE up your back! Do them with a tight belt and if you feel any strain on your lower back then go lighter. In any case the point is not to go heavy but rather to stretch and squeeze the muscle.

Noted and I am very glad you mentioned this! I will certainly keep it in mind going forward!

So day 29 today! I cannot believe almost a whole month has gone by! I jumped on the scale this morning and it was 59.8KG... DAMMIT! 200g short of that 60!

Pinned HCG for the first time today, wasn't soo bad except the insulin syringes I got from Dischem seems pretty shitty? The needles are kinda flimsy and it feels as if they flex when trying to get it into the self-healing injection port. Not to mention they do not seem to pierce the skin as easily as the larger ones.
Are most insulin syringes like this, or did I just get really crappy ones?

I am really liking the extra weight I am carrying in the sense that I am looking bigger and fuller - I can really understand how this can become soo addictive as the only time when it does not feel "natural" is when you have to pin yourself. As soon as that it done, you feel as good as normal... Perhaps even great at times.
You do not want it to stop. lol

That being said tomorrow is my last day on the dbol! So tomorrow night before bed will be my last dbol taken for this cycle. Curious to see how it effects me - my weight and strength.

Since I went back to work, I have had some comments. My support staff noticed I am getting bigger, I asked them if I was getting fat and they replied stating that I look more "fit" and noticed my chest is showing through more with my shirt.
The receptionist struggled to say what it was, however how I understood it is that the way I walk and carry myself has changed for the better and perhaps shows more confidence (I have been working on my posture!).
Family members like the extra weight on me as well.

I have had one person whom I hadn't seen in a while, he saw me and I could tell he noticed I had put on weight and gotten bigger which he did not like. He did not say anything though but I couldn't care much for his opinion.

Nobody has commented, asked or suggested whether I am on anything. My gym partner however, one or two people have sort of questioned his weight gain as he carries it differently.

I changed my arms (biceps actually) workup yesterday as that is officially the hardest part for me to train! I am seriously struggling to make decent progress! However I am sore AF today from what I did yesterday in terms of arms! So let's see how this goes.

So today I pinned hcg myself, it only starts to hurt a lil when you push the liquid in... Oh well. It is sore now though if I touch that area

Gym wasn't the best, I was really just not feeling it and am soo tired right now I do not even feel like eating. I just wanna sleeeeeep!!
Had to drop weight on my deadlifts otherwise I was going to hurt myself. I am hating the close grip pull downs as I get such a bad forearm pump from doing it.

The past 2 weeks have been amazing at gym, hitting PR's constantly and now it feels as if my body is needing some more rest. However it might just be my lack of sleep this week.
I stopped my dbol on Sunday and I cannot tell you whether it has made a difference or not yet.