Degenerative Disc

L3/4 and L4/5 are both buggered. It's my right leg that's getting most of the hassles, from my ass to my knee.

Yea, it's a bit of a toughy, when I chatted to my doc and he said careful crunches, cycling and swimming is all I should be doing (I've been struggling to walk). No jogging, avoid running and walking, and no lifting. I'm not worried about gains at all, stopped hitting the gym totally in March because of pain etc. Right now it's all about maintaining core strength and dropping the kgs

Ye Bud you to have nerve issues, just be careful what advice you take from a Doctor. If I had have gone straight to a Neuro I would have had this sorted Years ago. They no very little about the spine unless it's Doctari or another really credible Sports Doctor.
You really need to see a Neuro and have an MRI for a 100% diagnosis and to ensure you don't do further damage.

Sorry I may not have explained right Got mris and x-rays and been to 2 neurosurgeons one who has been recommended in this thread (who was bloody brilliant and did recommend I try hold off on surgery and lose weight until I can't deal with the pain). The craziest part is the MRI showed that I have managed to get 2 breaks/fractures in my spine, couldn't believe it. Thought I was just having "back pain".

Well your in good hands then Bud. Trust me I no what your going through, you just want your life back without the pain and restrictions.

I'd stick to the swimming and a good diet, you'll loose 10kg quickly with diet alone. Just listen to your body if something feels uncomfortable well more so than normal. Stop

With it being lower back and fractures are you looking at having Fusion?

Yea. Same issues that you'll find with anywhere else in the spine.. Increased wear on the rest of the spine is my biggest worry as I seem to have a predisposition to spine issues. If the replacement isn't successful then the alternative will be a fusion, but at my age and in my situation, I don't want to deal with the drama surrounding it or the recovery period of a fusion.

A friend of mine had to have fusion in Her lumbar spine and 8 weeks later she's back at cross fit so if that what it comes to don't stress because the recovery apparently isn't any worse than replacement.
She wasn't a candidate for replacement as her vertebra were already to damaged.

Either way good luck and I'll keep you posted on my journey from the theatre to the stage :lol:

*Expletive*. Wow. Yea my first neuro told me 10 daays in hospital 6 weeks of bedrest and as much standing as I can handle then 3 months of a corset... Not sure if my situation is different (got a couple of other issues besides the discs) but that's at least a bit more acceptable to me!

Great man, best of luck! Hope you're fixed and pain free by the end of next month!

Ok well I've got yet another appointment with the Neuro tomorrow. He wants to see me and do another MRI the money is one thing but worse is going in that Fucking machine..!
He wants to do another MRI because he can't understand why I'm pain free after what he saw last time :blink: so I'll keep you posted on the outcome. I'm going to ask his opinion on HGH and see if he'll give me a script.

The one thing that does baffle me is that it was almost to the day that the Equi cleared my system that the pain left and it came on a month into my cycle? I'll discuss it all with him tomorrow once he's had a look inside me.

good luck for the miserable tunnel mate - maybe you get good news re the disc

Thanks Bud. I'm keeping fingers crossed

Good luck man, keep us posted.

a Positive mind can overcome anything.

Well I've just spent enough for a pretty decent cycle to be put into that horrible contraption again. So now I wait for the report to be done and then sent to the surgen. So we will see... I'll keep you posted

Hoping for the best bud

Well the plot thickens..! I've just come out of the Doctors rooms and had a look at the MRI with him and it's unbelievable how the herniation has gone down to almost nothing thus releasing the nerve :blink: he's decided no to operate as I'm pain free and on the mend but rather wait and see if and when it comes back and the get admitted straight away now that we no exactly what the problem is.

I've spoke to both him and Doctari about it and they both seem to think that being on gear at the time the disc went and the inflammatory nature of gear made the issue far worse and last much longer than in the past. It's funny how I commented the other day that the pain left on the exact day that the Equi left my system...

So I've been given the all clear to squat and deadlift again which I'll do really carefully for now and see how things go.

I think I'll be sticking with Nandrolone in future cycles :lol:

Sweet. Very weird but very goods news. Now you just have to figure out how to avoid doing it again and still lift heavy.

I'm very interested in seeing some more info about the "inflammatory nature of gear". I know that low testosterone levels are associated with immune related inflammation. I didn't know that high testosterone or that EQ did the opposite.

Ye Doctari said he'll mail me next week with his thoughts so I'll pick his brain and let you no what he has to say because I'm mystified. :blink: But then I feel great so I'm not complaining.
Basically I've been told to make sure that I either look forward and really watch my posture while training Back and squatting. I have a tendency to look down when shrugging or doing rows and I think that's what normally sets it off

Dude I am so happy for you that is fantastic news!! Finally some good karma paying off! No homo..