Degenerative Disc

Good luck bud...all the best.

We are hoping for the best. let us know whats going on

After months of biokineticists, chiros and physios, I finally managed to get an emergency appointment with a neurosurgeon - well kind of. Was sent for an MRI and some fancy x-rays immediately and although I've not chatted to the doc directly yet as he was in theater. The report seems to suggest that there are issues with L4/5 and L4/3 (Christian are you around to do some doctor to layman translation? ).

Rhino, I hope things are going well for you man. I'm 24 (and currently struggling to bloody walk even) and this has been quite a terrifying experience, but this thread and wealth of information and support has made me feel pretty positive and hopeful about things. I'm holding thumbs for you man, I hope your recovery will end up inspirational for me

Well I went to see the Neuro yesterday and was sent for an MRI which I didn't enjoy at all. I kept thinking what if the whole world turned into Zombies like in the walking dead and I was stuck in this fucking machien. Would I be able to break out of it? :lol:

Anyway basically I have to go back next Friday once he's had a look at the MRI to see what needs to be done. He did say it's a flip of a coin if I ever have full recovery from the muscle waisting in my rear delt because the nerve has been trapped for such a long time while I've been trying to find this issue. I'll be giving HGH a try post op to see if that has any help.

I'll post the MRI as soon as I get it and I'll let you no how things go next Friday, I've also made an appointment with a second Neuro on the following Monday for a second oppinion..

If I run GH for say 3 months while I recover what does should I run? I'd start now but if I'm flat on my back in a Fucking neck brace for a week I can't see myself keeping to any schedule..!
I'm trying to stay positive but it sure isn't easy.

3iu split 1/1/1. I ran 4iu split 2/1/1. You will be fine bro. I was flat on my back for 3 weeks after some hectic surgery. Take it easy, time flies

Well tomorrow I'll no exacataly what I'm up against. To be honest I just want to get this sorted now I'm sick of being in pain and having to train like a queer.
I'm sure once I'm sorted it'll be amazing being able to give it horns because I've been training around this for longer than I'd care to remember now.

Best of luck bud. It must be getting real frustrating. keep us updated.

Well it's official my Disc is completely Fucked..!and I need disc replacment surgery.
On the a bright side he did put my mind at ease, it's 3 to 4 days in hospital and I'll be able to be back in gym after 2 weeks luckily my vertebra aren't damaged so I'm a perfect candidate for disc replacement. He said that I won't have any permanent nerve damage so post op I'll be able to work on my dodge rear delt.
I've been given some decent drugs to deal with the pain and inflammation, I told him that I'm on cycle and he suggested that I finish my cycle and pct and then do the OP in the beginning of Jan which I'm thrilled with because Nov/Dec are my 2 busiest months of the year and with the op only being in Jan I'll be just over 2 months post pct so all should have stabilized by then.'
Luckily with it being the cervical spine weight limitations don't apply post op as they would had it have been my lower back and for now I can train as normal just no squats or deadlifts.

Glad to hear things arent all bad ! have that fixed in Jan and come back stronger than ever. Thanks for letting us know !

Good to hear that they can sort your back out bud. What did the doc think is the cause of the damage?

Thanks MA. He said he thinks the main cause was years of Boxing and had it been diagnosed in my youth when it was still just herniated rest alone would most probably have sorted it out. He also said that one of the worst things I could have done was all the trips to the Chiro and with being a Jeweller looking down a lot of the day my posture has played a big role in keeping the nerve trapped.
I'm actually excited about having it done now, it's going to be like being a new person in the gym for years I've thought it was a rotator cuff issue so it really had limited my training. It's just nice to no what the problem that's been plaguing me for years off and on has been and that it can finally be sorted.

Good to hear that you are getting it sorted out my friend.

Well I just had a mail come through from the surgeon and he can't perform the Op in early January as planned as he's going to the States..
I don't really no what to do he may be able to squeeze me in next month but I'll be starting PCT at the end of September and I'm worried that with my BF being so low if I'm on my back for 2 weeks I won't be able to follow a proper pct or eat so I'll just waist away. Nov/Dec are out of the question as they are my busiest months of the year. The only alternative is to delay the Op until Feb/March.

The pain is no were near as bad as it was and is manageable I just don't want to put it off to long. What do you guys recon?

I would go have it sorted as soon as he can op. You have 35 years + to build your body. Go fix it bud.

Ye I suppose your rite. I'll update pics in a month of the new (slow puncture) look Rhino :sick:

Boet nou nou kak iets dan sit jy met jou vinger in jou gat. Gaan fix die probleem

Get it over and done with so you can put it behind you bro.

You can always regain that muscle, and the sooner you have the opp done, the sooner you can get back in the game.
As stated you said recovery time aint very long, so just have it done, try to keep up the cals as much as possible, and whatever weight you lose, is nothing compared to the improvement in your lifestyle.

Size aint everything bud, sacrifice a small bit, which you can regain quickly, and know that disc is sorted and wont give you further kak

I agree. Get it sorted out as soon as he can operate.
You already a monster in the gym, you will recover your losses soon enough. Think about what pain free is going to feel like my bro.

Well it happening on the 8th of October by the looks of things..! I can set it up so that he operates on the day I finish my clomid? I should be ok if I miss a day or 2 of Nolva/Aromasin while I'm in hospital hey?

Thanks for the encouragement gents

Good luck man. Let us know how it goes! Unless things miraculously get better, I'll be having two replaced in December so please keep a log of your recovery

You joke, I have had a Miraculous recovery. I woke up on Monday feeling absolutely
Pain free for the first time in well over 3 months..!
Obviously the disc is still fucked but the nerve must have come free. I've just started PCT and not only did I beat my on cycle lifts on Monday for chest but I managed to do Pull ups today for the first time since it it went.

I'm still going to having the Procedure as I no it'll happen again but just be worse next time as that's been the cycle. But bring on PCT :lol:

That's excellent man! I had been bloody sore the whole weekend after working on the floor (yea I know..) bent over to pick up a bottle in the shower yesterday and got an incredibly crack and major relief. My doc has said I need to lose around 10kg - which is fair, I've picked up a few in the past 6 months or so that I've been struggling with this, so smashing the keto and keeping the calories mega low in hope that it reduces the strain on my back.

My doc has said for now, while the pain is acute, I should take it as easy as I can, doing a couple of crunches every day being careful to target my abs only. Do you have an opinion here? I'm quite partial to planks over crunches...

What discs are giving you shit? The Neurosurgeon told me to avoid any excersises that put strain on the cervical spine with it being in my neck. So it hasn't been to bad to train because it's only really Squats that are out.
If it's your lower back I'd avoid crunches because you'll be putting strain on your thoracic spine and you don't want that. It all depends on what's actually wrong with the discs if you need surgery or disc replacment I'd avoid any excersises that could make the problem worse remember this your spinal cord your talking about!!!! Everything comes off it..! with my nerve being trapped it's effected my whole left shoulder gurdle.

Good luck Bud just avoid unnessasary further damage. If your targeting weight loss I'd stick to cardio, face it any gains you make now you'll just loose while recovering from surgery