first time

could i privat message any of you guys to chat over the phone or on black berry

hard gainer wrote: yes ofcourse you guys would know best but geez looking at some guys that only been in the gym for a month and goes on these thing its amazing wer i have been in gym training morning and evening that extremely little results that kills me like im wasting my time and money in th gym. geez these guys strenth they get overnight its unexplainble so lets be straight with me if im willing to start the deca and the susted what could happen to me

hey bud! first off welcome.

the best advice i can give you right now is to follow what the guys are telling you right now.
rather dont do the deca right now and do some proper reading on the site first, there is allot to learn and believe me, for a beginner cycle there are much better things to take!!!

another thing, this guy you spotting in the gym, do yourself a favour and take a mental pic of this guy, go chat to him about what his cycle looks like, his PCT (post cycle therapy) looks like and then chat to him about his diet and training program, take it all in and start basing that on the stuff you read here...

chances are the guy will not look the same as he does now when his cycle is done, this is the case for most guys that dont include the most important part of any bodybuilders lifestyle and thats propper diet!

the next couple of choices you are going to make is going to separate you from the avarage joe and the guy that retains all his gains when off cycle.

most important things you need to do is!

1. read all of the sticky notes in this forum
2. read them again
3. read them again
4. get your diet in check
5. get your training in check
6. get your supplements in check

ask questions here while doing all of the above!

Good luck bro!

Got to go with what Etwa said!100%

firstly you dont know how your body will react to the steroids, you might be very prone to gyno and grow bitch tits over night, secondly deca suppresses your natural testosterone production very hard, so it makes it harder to restore natural testosterone production.

even normal sust suppresses testosterone production, but it is easier to get it going again and doesnt require such an extensive PCT.

and you will notice i never even mentioned gear...

once you got all those things covered and you have a good diet followed and working hard in the gym, then we can start talking about gear.

im on optimu nutrition serious mass 3 shakes a day then putting 1 scoop of whey protein with it (ssn)
jacked 3d
crea pump
and crea mass

thats what im taking at the moment im having breakfast lunch and supper and eat inbetween aswell so help me from here

hard gainer wrote: who is dj could i perhaps hook up with him to chat. and you guys are still not telling me the truth of what could happen so why could i not take deca and sussed and what is test

Test is short for Testosterone. The fact you don't know that proves your not ready for a cycle man. Give the articles a GOOD read first before doing anything else, also those dieting stickys from DJ

dont be a lazy ass! follow the advice we gave you. allot of guys spent allot of time constructing those so everyone here can benifit from it. allot of knowledge there

start reading the stickys!

ive tried animal stack and m stack ddnt work

you not growing cos you not eating, shakes are a "SUPPLEMENT" to SUPPLEMENT your diet, not to be 3/4's of your diet bud

Bro everything we are telling you is the truth. We want you to do things properly. Test is Testosterone. Deca is very hard on your system and there are some hectic side effects. If you take even 100mg of deca it shuts down your HTPA, this is the message your brain sends to your testicles to produce natural test. If you don't know what you are doing you could end up screwing this function up completely and growing a pair of breasts. Now seriously bro is that what you want? No I don't think so, best thing is to get all the info that will help you to ahve a succesful cycle and a good PCT (post cycle therapy) The stuff that gets your testicles working again.

cool guys thanks for the advise just coz you guys are big now you dont wana give us smaller guys the good stuff jokes lol thank will read it up ok so saying if you have done deca and susssed you still need to pct even if its 2months after you took the deca and sussed

Bro steroids are no joke. They are safe if you know what your doing which you clearly don't. Listein to Etwa and David they know there stuff. Ill tell you this though if it wasn't for this site I would have never considering steroids cause of all the mis information. This IMO is the only website on the internet where people know what the f they are talking about.

Deca has a half life of 15 days, you multiply this by 3 to get start of PCT. That means day45 after your last shot, you will start with your PCT

hard gainer wrote: cool guys thanks for the advise just coz you guys are big now you dont wana give us smaller guys the good stuff jokes lol thank will read it up ok so saying if you have done deca and susssed you still need to pct even if its 2months after you took the deca and sussed

For any cycle you need PCT, the PCT article on the site is excellent well they all are actually

hard gainer wrote: cool guys thanks for the advise just coz you guys are big now you dont wana give us smaller guys the good stuff jokes lol thank will read it up ok so saying if you have done deca and susssed you still need to pct even if its 2months after you took the deca and sussed

wtf is sussed??? forget about the fucking deca and sus for now, you got bigger things to worry about first.

but to answer your question, yes, you would need to do a pct. sounds to me like you already did it!

if you did already do the cycle man up and say so! were not your parents and we wont lecture you bud. but we can help you recover the best way if you did!

I think he means Sustanon

AAS wrote: I think he means Sustanon

sure AAS, just playing dumb... :whistle:

point is if he cant spell it he is not reading enough about what he is putting into his body.

well i have read very little about it etwa thats why im asking on the forum for some advise no need for that shit guy anyway thansk to all for the advice

Seriously bud, stick around. These guys will never steer you in the wrong direction. Maybe we can hook up for a training session

i wasnt giving you shit, i was telling it how it is.

having said that everyone here started somewhere and we all have lots more to learn. remember you can only thank us for the advice if you actually use it...

dont be afraid to ask more questions, even if it means some guys giving you a hard time about it...in the end you will only be better of with the knowledge!

you are expecting to be spoon fed dude, read and then ask questions about what you dont understand

thanks for that etwa and david indeed i would apprecaite it to finaly hear what im doing wrong

Just preping for comp at the moment, will let you know when I'm available

I just have to give my opinion as well.
Hi hard gainer welcome to the forum.
Like the other guys said you will firstly learn the basics of steroid use.
For example the fact that you want to use sust but you dont know that it is test (not giving you shit)
and personally I think you dont have enough training experience to use roids yet you have to learn what works for your body and push it to it's natural limit's otherwise you are going to start using now and could have gotten twice the results if you waited a while.

Also you will have to read up on the pct and in cycle estrogen blockers, because what are you gonna do if your nipples get sore or a lump starts forming?
My second cycle was decca sust and I got heavy estrogen rebound luckily my supplier at the time was a pro bodybuilder, which later I found out even he did not know that much.

This forum will give the best info needed but you must do some research yourself!

Good Luck!