years on cycle

4 words "marius dohne" + "marco rossi". Look what happens with year long cycles and dieting to your kidneys and other organs fro high protien diet,orals,anti estrogens etc.I don't think what u are doing is safe nor at the age of 21 know what's gonna happen in your future,u keep on saying u don't wanna live till an old age,what if you have a wife,children grandchildren,that is a priority in those times. Don't be so ignorant now to think having big muscles is gonna get u through life and through a job unless u are a personal trainer for the rest of your life. At 21 u should only start cycles now not been on 6 already. I think you are very short sited young man when it comes to what u want to achieve in future. Email marco rossi and ask him what he thinks of year long cycles,he will probably reply during a dialisis treatment.

Ps about all the pros staying on cycle for years and years isn't the truth, one of my closest mates uses george farah as a coach( kai greene,branch warrens trainer) and he pulls his clients off steroids and does pct with them,I think all the gurus do...look at how george fixed marius kindeys,by pulling him off steroids,even dave palumbo pulls toney freeman off cycle 3 months of the year...I think u need to spend the $1500 and hire either george or hany rambod as a coach and see what they suggest and they will still pull u off.I am not going to reply to this topic any more as what u are telling kids at 21 its safe to use steroids all year round,u are planting that seed in their minds.

I understand that guys like jack stay on all year round on test but he is a grandfather so at his age 85% of men have low test levels. I think staying on all year round is dangerous

beaten like a red-headed stepchild....

DJ wrote: Ps about all the pros staying on cycle for years and years isn't the truth, one of my closest mates uses george farah as a coach( kai greene,branch warrens trainer) and he pulls his clients off steroids and does pct with them,I think all the gurus do...look at how george fixed marius kindeys,by pulling him off steroids,even dave palumbo pulls toney freeman off cycle 3 months of the year...I think u need to spend the $1500 and hire either george or hany rambod as a coach and see what they suggest and they will still pull u off.I am not going to reply to this topic any more as what u are telling kids at 21 its safe to use steroids all year round,u are planting that seed in their minds.

I understand that guys like jack stay on all year round on test but he is a grandfather so at his age 85% of men have low test levels. I think staying on all year round is dangerous

Don't know if george pulled him off and did pct, but if he did and marius's natural test levels must have been screwed.. Or he is just extremely lucky. was on a marius diet from januari for 6 months (online coaching thing) he also asked my cycle history, don't think that he thought that I juiced a lot. Stopped tho,R1000 a month just for advice gets costly.

I truly am amazed by the dosages you guys take... You really juice with your health as your number one priority

I have learned alot from Dj and pumps experience, if you cannot learn from history you will repeat history. There were a few pros who admitted using but how low their doses were would shock you.

If only it wasn't illegal. Then people would be much more open and more research would be available. All I know is that the bodybuilders I have talked to, take rather high dosages

If you hear guys like William llewellyn he explains in detail why high dosages are not required, most of us BB seem to think more is better resulting in more side effects etc.

[quote="STUARTF" post=80864....I really don't want to be 60yrs old and still pinning test...but each to their own.[/quote]

At 60 i can guarantee you will be pinning. if thats the TRT protocol of the time.

Its the general rule.. Even in the articles section it says test dosages can go up to a few grams (to me a few grams means 3 or 4) and that it is dose dependent but I agree the higher the dose the more sides. I was amazed when you said that the highest you have gone was 700mg bro. I'll read up on a few of William llewellyn's articles. Always willing to learn

@jakes would you really advise kids to do what you have done and to follow in your footsteps? Thank God I never started when you did, because I would probably think exactly the way you do. I'm so thankful I started when I did because at least I am level headed about it. I think when koe takes you under his wing, things will be much better. I think you are still pretty young and in time will grow up and realise what you are saying now is irrational and stupid!!

jakes wrote: Its the general rule.. Even in the articles section it says test dosages can go up to a few grams (to me a few grams means 3 or 4) and that it is dose dependent but I agree the higher the dose the more sides. I was amazed when you said that the highest you have gone was 700mg bro. I'll read up on a few of William llewellyn's articles. Always willing to learn

I have been on some High test cycles. The sides get to you and drain you. You dont train optimally etc.

Dont chase that Rabbit. Get clever. Quality over quantity.

jakes wrote: If only it wasn't illegal. Then people would be much more open and more research would be available. All I know is that the bodybuilders I have talked to, take rather high dosages

I have seen the cycle george put andrew on,in his off season he used no more than 1.5g a week in total over 12 weeks.his calories were at about 10500,marius when he went to george said to andrew "yet another low dose guru" I can tell u now if u have quality anabolics then u won't have an issue,quality food and u will grow,u don't need maSsive doses...so u are wrong about that...

David.biohazard wrote: @jakes would you really advise kids to do what you have done and to follow in your footsteps? Thank God I never started when you did, because I would probably think exactly the way you do. I'm so thankful I started when I did because at least I am level headed about it. I think when koe takes you under his wing, things will be much better. I think you are still pretty young and in time will grow up and realise what you are saying now is irrational and stupid!!

I don't regret a single cycle not even the two 14week test and equi cycles I ran. Great gains, minimal sides recovered fully. I look better now than some bodybuilders at 40. The under 21's
That compete already juice. Some of them already cutting with tren... We grow up seeing huge guys (comics, movies etc) when I was 16 I decided I want to do it, juiced at 18 don't regret it at all. Had a nice foundation and I can look good while I am young. I don't live in the future

I have been on some High test cycles. The sides get to you and drain you. You dont train optimally etc.

Dont chase that Rabbit. Get clever. Quality over quantity.[/quote]

Guess your right, but this isn't my cycle thread. Just a t
Thread to share ideas and experiences of people who did. Can you share what the dosages were uncle jack?

I didn't ask if you regret it, I didn't regret being a drug addict at your age but realise now that I would never want others to do what I did. Anyway a whole different topic. You'll grow up eventually

David.biohazard wrote: I didn't ask if you regret it, I didn't regret being a drug addict at your age but realise now that I would never want others to do what I did. Anyway a whole different topic. You'll grow up eventually

Sorry mom. That's your opinion. As for the addict comment, rather test than heroin :whistle:

Like I said still need some growing up to do :whistle:

At the end of the day, chasing greater dosages because they are no longer working for you has a great effect on the body long term.
Irrelevent of substance my friend

jakes wrote: .....Can you share what the dosages were uncle jack?

If you spend time listening to talks by Jay Cutler (especially) but also many of the Hall of famers about how little AAS played a role in them getting to Pro status you might change your mind. There is another thread about that - round table with Shawn Ray at Muscular Development.

I saw your "diet" in another thead. You should give someone like DJ a chance to show you what a good diet and a nicely worked out cycle can do for you.
The frontal lobe of your brain isnt developed yet so you have a gung-ho attitude - no fear. As you get older this develops and the idiocy of your youth hits you hard.
At least give it a try. Dont just make it out to be BS.

My doses at one stage was 500mg Sust, 200 MG Deca (Pharma) EOD + 100mg Anapolon ED. Tried it for the sake of it. Then Dropping that drastically to 1000mg Test/week + 800mg Primo i got exceptional results. Now im dropping it even further since i'm going GREAT on TRT dosages. Actually way better than those massive doses. I have loads more energy and peace of mind.

Do your cycles and come off for the rest period. Sign up DJ!
You might not want to be 60 one day but at this rate you might not see 30.

@jakes back to the original thread topic quick, re running 500mg of test and then "cruising" with 250mg before going back to a higher dose. Gains will slow down at the 8-10 week mark when on 500mg a week, now when you drop down to 250mg if you were hardly getting gains on 500mg a week where's the logic in "cruising" on 250mg?

Sure you'll get better results than if you were off gear but not really by much to justify shutting yourself down so heavily. That time would be better off spent resting your receptors and giving yourself a nice break to maximise the next cycle

jackrabbit1 wrote:

jakes wrote: .....Can you share what the dosages were uncle jack?

If you spend time listening to talks by Jay Cutler (especially) but also many of the Hall of famers about how little AAS played a role in them getting to Pro status you might change your mind. There is another thread about that - round table with Shawn Ray at Muscular Development.

I saw your "diet" in another thead. You should give someone like DJ a chance to show you what a good diet and a nicely worked out cycle can do for you.
The frontal lobe of your brain isnt developed yet so you have a gung-ho attitude - no fear. As you get older this develops and the idiocy of your youth hits you hard.
At least give it a try. Dont just make it out to be BS.

My doses at one stage was 500mg Sust, 200 MG Deca (Pharma) EOD + 100mg Anapolon ED. Tried it for the sake of it. Then Dropping that drastically to 1000mg Test/week + 800mg Primo i got exceptional results. Now im dropping it even further since i'm going GREAT on TRT dosages. Actually way better than those massive doses. I have loads more energy and peace of mind.

Do your cycles and come off for the rest period. Sign up DJ!
You might not want to be 60 one day but at this rate you might not see 30.

Ny diet isn't on the forum. Paid good money for it not just going to post it. Which thread?

jakes wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote:
Ny diet isn't on the forum. Paid good money for it not just going to post it. Which thread?

Ok - Must be the odd one here or there then - Junk Food thread.

Why not mail it to the squirrel?

IMO we are entertaining this thread and shouldn't anymore.

You keep on trying to reason with everyone as to what u are doing...and 90% of the replies are going with the consensus as to this is not the greatest idea to do,but if that's what u want to do then go for it.

Jakes i used to know a guy that trained with my dad ( i also trained with him for a year , and it is this idiot who told me to use deca and tren without test , and i was only 18 years old then ) but anyway he used to run endless cycles , and also '"cruising on test" and the last time i heard the guy is in and out of hospital day in and day out

We all have differnet views. I don't agree with those of you who drink and smoke. You don't agree with my view on never going off and just criusing. Its a personal thing, all you can really say is that its going to shut down my natural test levels to which my reply is I KNOW. Regardless it comes down to what you are willing to do. If I have a child I don't give a shit about my natural test levels. Wtf? Are you sentimental about your body having to produce its own test? When you are in your late 40's or 50's you are going to supplement with test anyway so just supplementing with it earlier really won't have en adverse effect on your body. You'll be in a better mood and enjoy life. If you want to continue only rununig short cycles that's your own choice. Don't force opinions down on someone, especially you biohazard. So I do it, and my body stops producing test? Cool I supplement with test then so really then there is no problem.

Most of you guys are of opinion that you won't do it. Mine is that I would do it. I am not advocating these cycles. You are nice and big and can make your own decisions.

Not doing it yes, so geez don't moan. You guys sound worse than my future mother in law.
Besides shutting down your natural test levels I can't really see much negative effects. Not sentimental about my body producing its own test. This is off topic...

I appreciate the input everyone gave. (Even the ones that got angry) thanks for caring. Its great that you are worried about a fellow juicer's health