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DIESEL wrote:

wat is a good AI to include in cycle(beside letro).

for some reason i think u must be from durban,am i correct?

dj easye wrote:

DIESEL wrote:

wat is a good AI to include in cycle(beside letro).

for some reason i think u must be from durban,am i correct?

yes- any reason you say that.

just saying,its a durban pushed product,its finally making its way up to jhb but i know that alot of guys use it..some with better results than others

That test product you looking to get is pretty dumb in my opinion. Why buy long esters and then be forced to inject them every other day because there is a silly prop ester in the mix. And then when you injecting EOD the prop is at such low doses that its not actually helping you in anyway. DUMB PRODUCT

Secondly, lets see some stats, are you old enough to do gear? Have you packed on enough naturally mass to get the most out of steroids? Is your body fat low enough (since you are considering a cutting stack).

Thirdly are you buying a proper PCT with the stack? You need more than three weeks of tamoxifen and if your using 500mg test + oral (test only would be better for a first cycle) then I'd get HCG as well. Depending how small you are 200-300mg of test a week will be fine for a first cycle.

Read this:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/11-gene...q-section-help#20050

Inja wrote:

That test product you looking to get is pretty dumb in my opinion. Why buy long esters and then be forced to inject them every other day because there is a silly prop ester in the mix. And then when you injecting EOD the prop is at such low doses that its not actually helping you in anyway. DUMB PRODUCT

Agreed. A single ester is the way to go

Combos can be good to... Sust is good, right mix of esters.

But still has testosterone propionate, 30 mg; testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg; testosterone isocaproate, 60mg; and testosterone decanoate, 100 mg.

I personally don't like it in prepacked ratios, if I want to mix and match esters, can do it myself in the same syringe. At least then I have control over the ratios and they are not predetermined for the entire cycle

Yes it has prop but because of the ester mix you don't need to inject it EOD like with the silly combo the original poster is buying... With sust you can inject once or twice a week.

Inja wrote:

Read this:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/11-gene...q-section-help#20050

thank you inja..this was very helpful

ok people..been some development in my situation.
been doing alot more reading on the forum and decided to wait till next yr march.
gonna finish the var over the next 4 weeks and do nolvadex pct( this pct was recomended in another thread for var only). i was gonna do clomid. is this ok?

reason i am holding off is cos i dont want to rush into it. gonna research more and plan more as was reccommended to me by forum users. spoke to a friend and got details for PGW gear so will be getting that brand instead of the ARL.

i have changed my diet now for about 3-4 weeks and increased training from 3/4 days to 6 days a week. gonna run with that for a bit longer b4 starting test. its been working well.

Yes Kessar is fine. Glad you decided to do some more reading.

my stats:

31 yr old male. 1.80m tall. pharmacist by profession.
training since 18 yrs old. started off 74 kgs(18yrs old). at age 24 reached 107kg (BF 14-16%)
24 -28 slowed training. weighed about 98kg (20-22%).
started training again since 28 but light weights and cardio training.
last 2 yrs have increased intensity of training ( alot of HIT training). weight flactuates bet 86-90kg now.
my weekdays now consist of work, gym and sleep.
very easy for me to put on weight hence the low carb high protien diet now. gonna do BF this week. i am over the phase of wanting to be HUGE!!!jus want a clean built with lean muscle and low BF that i can manage. after i went up to 107 and slowed training and without even knowing it my BF increased and it was more difficult to maintain cos of work etc. i work alot of shifts and irregular hrs and it puts my bodies natural clock out of sync ( night shift etc).
i have always comsidered using gear but was too young then and always chickened out. now at 31 its amzing that you not that old but you can feel the diff when training. its more difficult to put on muscle and recovery tks abit longer. when you 21 you can train like a champion. thats why it very concerning when you see 18 yrs in gym these days juicing themselves silly and not really knowing what they doing.

milktuds wrote:

Yes Kessar is fine. Glad you decided to do some more reading.

ya me too. i have done alot of research in the past but this forum is by far the most helpful. the only way to get a clear understanding is by talking to people with experinence. thats when you get the most knowledge. i have waited 8 yrs ( been close twice to doing gear)..can wait a few more months and prepare properly. last thing want to do is rush and mess my body up. i am doing this for myself and not for the chicks lol.

Five star posting there, have some karma.

I suppose there is nothing wrong with finishing the oxandrolone. Clomid or kessar is fine for PCT. Just as long as your hormones recover.

Let us know what you work out for your first proper cycle and we'll all be happy to chime in. I trust you will have a logical cycle and PCT planned.

P.S. If your a pharmacistologist how comes you cant just organise some pharma grade gear from behind the counter. Is it a morals thing?

Inja wrote:

Five star posting there, have some karma.

I suppose there is nothing wrong with finishing the oxandrolone. Clomid or kessar is fine for PCT. Just as long as your hormones recover.

Let us know what you work out for your first proper cycle and we'll all be happy to chime in. I trust you will have a logical cycle and PCT planned.

P.S. If your a pharmacistologist how comes you cant just organise some pharma grade gear from behind the counter. Is it a morals thing?

i am working now at a production company. wud you believe that a few yrs ago when i was not interested i had access to everything in hospital. sus, preg. clomid, test cypo. worked with it everyday for yrs.
but it wud mean taking it illegally so thats a no no.
the clomid preg tamoxifen etc i am still getting from the pharmacy so thats fine. thinking of doing just the sus for the first cycle cos its seems to be rated well on this forum. will get that from pharmacy , maybe. dont wanna get too many items from the pharmacy cos wanna it keep it under wraps cos of professionalism if you know wat i'm saying. the pregnyl now even gets ordinated when they do inspections cos of the abuse of this drug at pharmacies for BB.

been thinking about a first cycle. dont wanna go to long as it will shut down my system for longer than i care for.
gonna go 8 weeks. sus 1-8
week 1 and 2 500mg M T..thereafter 250 till week 8.
want to include LET for the whole course but that might be overkill..dont know. wud also like to see wt my body does with the test and without the LET..that wud be best way to see if i'm prone to gyno i suppose. else it wud be 5 drops LET M to F. till week 8.

not sure how to structure the pCT yet but was thinking
preg week 9,10,11
clomid 10,11
kessar 12,13.
the LET shud still be in my system till week 10 max.

Shweet bro, if you decide not to use the pharma stuff (and stick on the right side of the law) then a lot of guys here like PGW products and I've gotten fairly good resuts from them too.

Better get some clarity on that body fat percantage, if it is still quite high (judging from the last time you measured it at 20%) then the best thing to do would be to hit the cardio and do some strict intense dieting for a few weeks while you do that reading and learning that you said you would. As you will have seen aromatisable steroids promote water retention, and in general elevated estrogen together with the massive calories one pumps down the throat for maximum gain one tends to maybe pick up a little bodyfat. Of course one can limit this with an A.I. and a clean diet but its always best to get bodyfat down pre-cycle so that the effect is minimum. There's nothing that kills motivation as much as negative body changes.

8 weeks is fine for sust, but so I understand are you planning 250mg M & T (total 500mg per week) or 250 divided into two shots. You don't really need to front load with the sustanon (because of the short esters) but if you wish to front load just to get the longesters up quicker then you only need do it for the first one or two shots, not for two weeks (totalling 4 shots).

As for the letro, if you want to be cautious and run an A.I. I think A-dex would be a better option as letro can be quite harsh on te first time user. And if you opt for the letro rather take 3 drops to 5 as precaution. As you say you wont know if you are gyno prone unless you run it without the A.I. Best thing to do if you want the cheaper letro is have it on hand, and if signs of gyno start to show then start taking the letro concurrently with some kessar. The kessar is quite potent in stopping gyno when caught early and the letro will ensure it does not get worse and reverse the damage done.

For PCT personally I would run the post HCG SERM for another week or two, but this is a personal choice based on how I recover, other simply run the two weeks post HCG. Best advice is to have some extra kessar on hand. This will prove invaluable if you wish to extend SERM usage for another two weeks based on how you feel at the end of your PCT (you will know if your test is still down) and will also be there incase the gyno shows and you are not runnning the A.I.

cool. thanks for the info.
looking at 250mg M 250 T (500 total/week)and thereafter 250 M only.

been on strict diet..keto one.just opened a can of tuna now for supper , closed my nose and swallowed..damn i hate tuna. having 2 of a those a day along with chicken and shakes.

booked my BF assessment tom at 11 so will have def measurements. hoping for a sub 20 as been training hard and weighed in at 88kg this morning. this yr has been the first time in like 8 yrs i think i have been below 90kg. feels very small and light though. not very confident anymore. like a the wind might blow me over lol..dont like it!!!!

i alos leaning towards the PGW products. i have the order form so will mail for a price listing tonight....

250mg /week of sus shud be fine hey? not 500mg. i'm in no hurry i guess.

Good call on waiting.

Careful not to overtrain-6 days of heavy weight training a week is a lot. What does you're routine look like?

M chest/foremans
T back
W legs
T shoulders
F arms
S cardio/abs(full session)

M to F-20 min cardio and abs after weights.
each session is about 1 to 1.5 hrs max.

DIESEL wrote:

M chest/foremans
T back
W legs
T shoulders
F arms
S cardio/abs(full session)

M to F-20 min cardio and abs after weights.
each session is about 1 to 1.5 hrs max.

You should try keep the sessions to 45 min-muscle glycogen is depleted after 45 min.

Seems a bit much-how many sets are you doing?

the weights section takes about 45 min..thereafter 20 min cardio/ abs. depends how busy the gym is. if i walk in at 12 i walk out by 13h15( like today)
doing about 12-15 sets. usually 4 exercise of 3 sets each. if i feel up to it then a 5th exercise. this does not include 2 sets of warm-up. all these sets are to or almost to max. 6-10 reps/set.

Yohimbe wrote:

DIESEL wrote:

M chest/foremans
T back
W legs
T shoulders
F arms
S cardio/abs(full session)

M to F-20 min cardio and abs after weights.
each session is about 1 to 1.5 hrs max.

You should try keep the sessions to 45 min-muscle glycogen is depleted after 45 min.

Seems a bit much-how many sets are you doing?

i try keeping the session short. almost all levels are depleted..test.gh etc.
i usually feel like throwing up after gym anyway. is that cos of over training. my gym partner is on gear so we push ourselves to the limit. think i am getting over rocked now cos he is def stronger than me now. he started the ARL course 3 weeks ago. omna and equi with first 2 weeks d-bol. its his 2 nd course.