NEWBIE-anavar

hi all
i have just started a using anavar at 20mg/day. i have read here that it shud be increased to 60.
i wud like to stay at 20mg however to min any side effects- is this ok or am i wasting the course?
questions:
1. do i need pct(even at 20mg). i was advised that you dont need to but i wud rather get good info from people here who have experience.
2. i am considering adding super test to this from next week. is this a good combo? i wud then need to do pct? what wud be the proper cycle/ stack for this combo?

can anyone give me a advise on the combo with pct etc. i have never taken this stuff b4 so dont wanna screw anything up.
i am looking for good quality gains and cutting excess BF.

thanks in advance

DIESEL wrote:

hi all
i have just started a using anavar at 20mg/day. i have read here that it shud be increased to 60.
i wud like to stay at 20mg however to min any side effects- is this ok or am i wasting the course?
questions:
1. do i need pct(even at 20mg). i was advised that you dont need to but i wud rather get good info from people here who have experience.
2. i am considering adding super test to this from next week. is this a good combo? i wud then need to do pct? what wud be the proper cycle/ stack for this combo?

can anyone give me a advise on the combo with pct etc. i have never taken this stuff b4 so dont wanna screw anything up.
i am looking for good quality gains and cutting excess BF.

thanks in advance

Why is it that all you newbies only ask questions either after you purchased gear or started using it without doing any sort of research. 20 mg a day is not going to do anything for a man, that's what women take as a max dose. You need to up the dose and do a pct. The reason you got told not to do a pct is because 20mg is a pussy dose (excuse the pun). There are plenty of threads here on Var, recent ones too so do some reading and next time find out about your gear before you buy and start taking it. Ur gonna need liver support as well

thanks for the info. have been taking var now for 1 week with milk thistle and about 4 lt water. my mate who has been on a few cycles said that is fine and that he didnt tk pct when he started var. i asked to buy the pct and he said no reason to. will get clomid asap. been reading but alot of diffrentviews and you just end up getting more confused.
about the addition of the test....pct for that- clomid and pregnyl? that ok. will the addition of super test be good?

DIESEL wrote:

hi all
i have just started a using anavar at 20mg/day. i have read here that it shud be increased to 60.
i wud like to stay at 20mg however to min any side effects- is this ok or am i wasting the course?
questions:
1. do i need pct(even at 20mg). i was advised that you dont need to but i wud rather get good info from people here who have experience.
2. i am considering adding super test to this from next week. is this a good combo? i wud then need to do pct? what wud be the proper cycle/ stack for this combo?

can anyone give me a advise on the combo with pct etc. i have never taken this stuff b4 so dont wanna screw anything up.
i am looking for good quality gains and cutting excess BF.

thanks in advance

Go big or go home 60 mgs ED if u doing it alone or more. You can do some clomid and nolva as a pct afterwards. You dont need pregnyl

Also i hope you not using Axio Anavar cause you gonna be disappointed

Supertest? As in PGW supertest combo??
No. Bru you must prepare before you dare:

Seeing as you have already started your Var up the dose to 60mg per day minimum, and i hope its not nomad (or lesa will eat you). And run it for a minumim of 6 weeks. After jam some kessar 20mg for 20-30 days will do the trick. Hmmm unfortunate you didnt prepare could have made it alot more successful but you should do well of that if you eating right and training right etc.

Schweeeeet!

ok. gonna up to 60.
is it fine to start that test. think its by british dragon? the preg etc wud be if i do the test.
sorted out the diet. about 6 meals a day..oats on the morning..rest of day is chicken or tuna with broc. whey in between.

ok been reading more. seems the BD are fake according to another post. was really keen on adding some test to the var.

ok been doing alot of reading on the site..very very nice informative site! have not slept in fact!!!!!!
this is wat i have come up with:
anavar 1-8 (wud like 4-8 but already started it:can i stop and start at week 4?)
test prop 1-10


pct: proviron 10-12
clomid 10-12
kessar 12-14

this is my first cycle.

dont use orals for 8 weeks(6 weeks max)
test prop must be done every other day.monday,wednesday friday sunday etc
dont use proviron in your pct
run your kessar with your clomid but start 3 days after your last test prop shot.
bd is highly faked,the lab closed if i am not mistaken end of 2007

djeasye wrote:

dont use orals for 8 weeks(6 weeks max)
test prop must be done every other day.monday,wednesday friday sunday etc
dont use proviron in your pct
run your kessar with your clomid but start 3 days after your last test prop shot.
bd is highly faked,the lab closed if i am not mistaken end of 2007

Yep BD has been faked a lot and they closed in 2006. So you got the fakes cause that would make them very old. Go for pgw or liquid pharma var

hi all thanks for all the info. Have not got the bD. Its floating around though in our gym.want 2 get dc pgw but difficult. Can get arl. Is that ok?

is this guy for real???

Test prop is a son of a bitch first time you use it, just so you know what you're in for. I could barely bend my leg for a week. Seem to get used to it after a while, but if you are considering prop, get some sterile grape seed or cotton oil and cut it in a one to one ratio in the syringe when you're going to pin.

Also a long cycle for prop, 10 weeks you might as well go with a long ester. 10 weeks of EOD pins is going to get old quickly.

No proviron for pct, proviron is a steroid and will cause shut down, which you don't want during pct.

What dose of test are you looknig at?

hi just spoke to the guy who sells this stuff. he advised to take ther ARL omnia250 - it has 3 esters. is this ok. 1 ml a week. www.anabolic-research-laboratories.com/?p=24

DIESEL wrote:

hi just spoke to the guy who sells this stuff. he advised to take ther ARL omnia250 - it has 3 esters. is this ok. 1 ml a week. www.anabolic-research-laboratories.com/?p=24

1ml isn't enough, that's more a trt dose. Need to go to at least 2ml (500mg/week).

I prefer a single ester, but test is test, and this will be better than straight prop for a first time.
Funny ester combination though, cyp and enth. They are basically the same half life.

What length of cycle are you looking at? You'll need to extend it to 10 weeks to get the maximum benefit with the two long esters.


I think if you add 4 weeks dbol or 4 weeks winstrol you've got a good cycle. If you decide on winstrol, be careful with your joints, it dries them out quite badly.

THe other big thing is you're diet-you need 400g+ protein per day-AAS will enhance you're bodies ability to metabolize protein, but without getting the protein in the first place it won't work.
If you're looking for lean gains follow a keto type diet, limiting carbs to pre and post workout only. Rest of the time protein and good fats.

Keep a log, it's easy to think you're getting the protein when you're not. Eggs, fish and steak are you're best sources, with biltong being a good carry around protein snack when you need some protein on the go.

thanks yohimbe.
looking at 8 weeks. been thinking about the winny in the last 4 weeks. dude only has tabs (15 and 50 mg)
anavar in the first 4 weeks since i already started it. i have actually started a keto diet.

i have been reading alot about the gyno and actually gettin a bity worried. on this particular course if gyno does start, wat wud be the best Rx. letro, kessar, can i add proviron in the last 4 weeks as well to keep estrogen levels to a min?

gonna get the gear tom. wanna get everything i need one time.

DIESEL wrote:

thanks yohimbe.
looking at 8 weeks. been thinking about the winny in the last 4 weeks. dude only has tabs (15 and 50 mg)
anavar in the first 4 weeks since i already started it.

i have been reading alot about the gyno and actually gettin a bity worried. on this particular course if gyno does start, wat wud be the best Rx. letro, kessar, can i add proviron in the last 4 weeks as well to keep estrogen levels to a min?

If you're running winny in the last 4 weeks, you don't need proviron. Both are dht derivatives and have anti estrogen properties.

Letro is best, but did you have any problems on the first cycle of test you did? Best just to have letro on hand in case, but if you run winny it will take care of estrogen sides.

You will need nolva for pct-40/30/20mg per week for three weeks starting 10-14 days after last injection of test.

this is my first cycle..never did gear b4.
wat is AAS?
so for now ARL omna 1-8
anavar 1-4
winny 4-8

PCT: clomid
kessar

this sound good? letro on hand in case of sides or is this over kill

DIESEL wrote:

this is my first cycle..never did gear b4.
wat is AAS? read somewhere shud not tk this if BF is higher than even 10. mine is about 16 at the moment.
so for now ARL omna 1-8
anavar 1-4
winny 4-8

PCT: clomid
kessar

this sound good? letro on hand in case of sides or is this over kill

Sorry, I thought you'd done a cycle before for some reason.

Then leave the winny. You don't need it on a first cycle. 2ml testosterone per week (500mg/week) with the anavar is more than enough-you'll see some good gains provided you're getting the 400g protein per day.

Also don't want to run too many orals-puts stress on the liver and winny is one of the worst. Anavar is pretty light as far as 17 AA steroids go (17 aplha alkylated-liver toxic)

Run the var for 6-8 weeks and 500mg/week of the testosterone for 8 weeks, then start pct 10 days-2 weeks from last injection. Inject EOD because of the prop ester to maintain more stable blood levels. Going to be 0.6ml EOD averaging out to 525mg/week.

Have the letro on hand in case, but only use it if you start noticing itchiness/tenderness in your nipples. Letro is very potent-2.5mg per day will shut down 98% of estrogen. You need some estrogen.
If you do need it use 0.25mg every other day, but not unless you have to.
You could also go with arimidex, not as potent as letro, but works out more expensive usually. You would use about 0.25-0.5mg every day.
I personally go with letro. Again only if you have to, but rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

You should be fine on 500mg/week.

Make sure you're getting EFA's (salmon oil) on cycle and during pct.


AAS=anabolic androgenic steroids-just short for steroids.

Don't forget the protein-more important than the steroids

I'd push the testosterone to 10 weeks-you'll be losing out a bit cutting it short at 8 weeks because of the ester lengths

thanks boet. the info really does help and clear up alot.

DIESEL wrote:

thanks boet. the info really does help and clear up alot.

Anytime-let us know what you decide and how it goes

will do. getting gear in a few hrs. starting monday.

leaning towards the winnie in last 4 weeks course wanna cut and cos of dht properties. really wanna min chances of gyno if possible. 400g protein also gonna put alot of stress on liver though-proteinurea n all that.

DIESEL wrote:

will do. getting gear in a few hrs. starting monday.

leaning towards the winnie in last 4 weeks course wanna cut and cos of dht properties. really wanna min chances of gyno if possible. 400g protein also gonna put alot of stress on liver though-proteinurea n all that.

The protein is assimilated very efficiently and won't put much stress on liver. Winny does, so you'll have be careful. Great drug, but don't think running two orals is a good idea for first cycle. Perhaps stop the var and just go with test and winny combo.

wat is a good AI to include in cycle(beside letro).