Life begins at 40!

I am sure your test was underdosed and u have deca dick but the prop should clear it up ..

Sorry Rhino,

For some obscure reason it won't let me reply to your post. Says Forbidden. Sigh.

Nate

Rhino / MA,

Should I not try a letro like Bruno?

Nate

Bridge and PCT looks fine as what you mean by 60 day PCT is starting aromasin 16 days before clomid and then doing the clomid/nolvadex. In your week of taking nothing you can still take var until 2 days before clomid and do HCG.

Thanks MA.

I think I will stop the var at the end of the bridge as planned. I already will be taking it too long at that stage. So I think a week with nothing before PCT.
So just to absolutely finalize so you happy MA:

54-day bridge
[1] Injecting 150mg Test Prop EOD for first 40 days
[2] 60mg Anavar daily
[3] 0,5mg dostinex every 5 days
[4] 375IU's of HCG twice a week
[5] 2x Proviron daily

1-week without anything

Then 60-day PCT as follows:
[1] Day 1 to 60: 1x 20mg Aromasin EOD
[2] Day 16 to 30: 50mg Clomid daily
[2] Day 30 to 60: 20mg Nolvadex daily

Happy MA?

Nate

Do u not overlap the clomid and nolva in the second week MA ?

Nope

Not sure how you guys afford all of this, I'm costing my course now which is entry level and its already half my monthly food bill

And its nothing special at all:

Some Testocyp x 2 and some Dbols x 100 and some pct....

Hi Alex,

Its expensive yes overall.
But I maintain that if you going to do it, you can't take shortcuts because of finance. Steroids are like a Ferrari. If you can't afford to buy it cash, then you can't afford it.

I just worked out that if I include my full cycle, my bridge and my PCT, it is 212 days in total.
Which works out to a shit load of moola.

Although that said, the only cost I take offence to is the dostinex. And I still got deca dick. Haha

Nate

Afraid my cash gets sucked up into my sons karate, my second sons kickboxing, my daughters dancing lessons and my wifes visits to the beauty salon....

But I hear what you saying Nate

Ya its not cheap bud, decent cycle will cost you plenty, and food is hitting me 10 grand a month - no BS! I only have one dude but his school fees alone are 4 grand without aftercare and all his sports. Not a cheap hobby. Gotta juice if you have the cash...

FIllet wrote: food is hitting me 10 grand a month - no BS!

Jeez Fillet - Maybe go easy on the post workout caviar....

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Nothing wrong with that cycle Alex....

Thanks Mike

Its this course here:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

I done the reading as much as I can, im going to follow this course to the day on everything.
I plan to push myself harder than I have ever done before
Is cardio still required on this?
I will be eating as my weight goes up anything from 3200cal to 4000cal over the period. It will be a clean bulk with as clean as possible foods.

I really really want to keep my gains, so im hoping that if I follow the PCT perfectly and eat to support my new weight at the end of the course that Ill keep most of it.

Sorry for the highjack in your thread Nate.

Cardio and diet manipulation if u picking up fat yes ...but u better open your own thread boet

Its cool AlexRon,

Hope this works out really well for you mate. And keep us updated.

Regards,

Nate

@MA

Hi MA,

Sorry for yet another question my bro.
Is aromasin that important for me in PCT if I am not gyno prone at all? Or is it vital to start my PCT as you mentioned with aromasin.

I bought a whole lot of Letro (Femara) before my cycle because I heard of the possibility of tits. But clearly three months into my cycle, I am not gyno prone. I haven't used one femara.

Warm Regards,

Nate

If I dont get gyno symtoms then I dont use Aromasin in PCT but lets see what Prof MA says ...

Nate40 wrote: @MA

Hi MA,

Sorry for yet another question my bro.
Is aromasin that important for me in PCT if I am not gyno prone at all? Or is it vital to start my PCT as you mentioned with aromasin.

I bought a whole lot of Letro (Femara) before my cycle because I heard of the possibility of tits. But clearly three months into my cycle, I am not gyno prone. I haven't used one femara.

Warm Regards,

Nate

I gave you a link to read about some questions you had. Did you read it?

Ok now I get the 54 day bridge 2 weeks extra for Deca ...If u doing HCG and LETRO in the bridge would it still be neccesary for Aromison in PCT though Prof ?

Hi MA,

I did yes. Its an extraordinary article and thanks again. I just spent 20 minutes studying it again, and in terms of aromasin usage, the key part of the article was:

MA wrote: "It is also important to ensure that estradiol (predominant potent form of estrogen) is low when starting PCT. Estradiol is extremely suppressive on the HPTA, even more so than testosterone. By minimizing it we can stimulate our hypothalamus and pituitary much more during PCT, improving recovery, and boosting testosterone production. An AI like aromasin is advised, particularly if you have been using HCG through your bridge as HCG increases estradiol along with the testosterone it produces."

So as I understand it MA, because I have been taking HCG through my cycle and will continue to take it through my bridge, my estradiol levels are high. Because the estradiol levels need to be as low as possible when starting PCT, it is therefore crucial to start with aromasin (an aromatose inhibitor) as aromasin stimulates my hypothalamus and pituitary, improving recovery, and boosting testosterone production.

So therefore am I correct in saying that gyno issues aside, Aromasin is vital for PCT?

You explain things so well MA for us average folks. This is science of the highest order and I would be lost without guys like you sharing your knowledge.
As mentioned I read your article again and to most people in the world it cannot be denied that this is difficult to understand and follow correctly. It baffles me that people would even consider pumping steroids into their bodies without trying to study and understand the things you talk about everyday.

Thank you for who you are bro. Fuck bro I would carry on. But just wanted some of the guys on here to know just how lucky they are to have guys like you willing to help out the rest of us.

+1 MA. And thank you.

Nate

Nice post Nate! And I second you on all your comments.

ALL the mods on here can be very proud! This forum is better then most international ones I have even seen.. And it's proudly South African. The least we can do is show our appreciation for their hard work and passion helping and educating us!

And hopefully one day we will also be smart! and big! and strong! :lol: :lol:

Well said Ron.
However I fear I might be running out of years to get smart and big and strong like MA though.

Aromasin will improve your PCT and increase your natural testosterone production so it is always beneficial in PCT. It doesn't stimulate the hypothalamus/pituitary but it stops your estrogen from blocking the signal to produce testosterone. I'm glad you found the article enlightening.

LXIX wrote:

FIllet wrote: food is hitting me 10 grand a month - no BS!

Jeez Fillet - Maybe go easy on the post workout caviar....

Serious dude R2500 every week, this is also my wife and kid eating and the little f'cker eats a lot, he is half my height at the age of 7, stands a head taller than his class mates but most of the eating is me. Tuna, quaterhinds, eggs, the proteins are the expensive part.

What do you guys spend?

Also everytime you get bigger you have to eat more...