Legs.. Need size...

trubore
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17 Jan 2011 22:07 #59522 by trubore

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So, tomorrow is leg day... And I need advice...

I am 6'5, so I'm not the shortest fellow around... And well, I want really big legs, although I've come a REAL long way since a few months back, I think I can do better.

So at the moment I'm warming up with extensions, then move to leg presses and then I squat... The problem is I gym alone and don't quite like the idea of failing while squatting... What can I do to overcome this?

What do you guys think of lunges?

Thanks in advance..

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Deadgoat
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17 Jan 2011 23:57 #59525 by Deadgoat

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Squat in the smith machine if you dont feel like asking the gym instructor or other trainers for a spot. And I'd switch the squats ahead of the leg presses if I were you

I find lunges to be more of a glute/ham builder than a quad builder

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jackrabbit1
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18 Jan 2011 04:49 #59526 by jackrabbit1

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Keep your routine. Add Hack-squats before squats. Your legs are fried by the time you do squats so you get away with less weight. Easy for a spotter to handle - especially on Smith machine. Do extensions heavy after this.

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spike
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18 Jan 2011 06:08 #59528 by spike

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Hmmm, personally I like to squat first because I like to squat as heavy as i can go. If I dont have a spotter and there's no instructor around, I just take a bench and put it behind me so in my lowest position my bum just taps the bench. This way if I'm not able to make it back up I just land up sitting down for a bit instead of sprawled on the floor with a bar on top of me

I prefer to use the extensions to finish off

Um, but im scared of needles...

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trubore
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18 Jan 2011 10:05 #59547 by trubore

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Thanks for all the advice guys, just came from the gym and had a killer workout... About 25 min in, I was at puking point... Had to take longer rests between sets, but felt great... The stairs after wasn't so great almost fell, but hey it was worth it:silly:

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jackrabbit1
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18 Jan 2011 13:29 #59569 by jackrabbit1

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Thats why squating to failure wont work for me Spike. I go past the 90 deg mark.

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Frikkie
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18 Jan 2011 17:18 #59585 by Frikkie

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spike wrote: Hmmm, personally I like to squat first because I like to squat as heavy as i can go. If I dont have a spotter and there's no instructor around, I just take a bench and put it behind me so in my lowest position my bum just taps the bench. This way if I'm not able to make it back up I just land up sitting down for a bit instead of sprawled on the floor with a bar on top of me

I prefer to use the extensions to finish off

good advise. free weights are always better than machines. and leg extensions at the end.

@spike: don't take any offence, i know you guys do bodybuilding so we do things differently, but we powerlifters call that move you do with a bench a 'moffie squat' or 'rugby squat' haha!

and like one of the strongest guys in the country said when someone asked him if he uses the leg extension machine: "yes, we sometimes put a few hundred kg's of extra weight on it, tie chains to it and pull it around the parking lot." :laugh:

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jackrabbit1
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18 Jan 2011 19:04 #59592 by jackrabbit1

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Jaaaaa Frikkie! :laugh:
The extension is nice to warm up the knees and to finish off the day some of the muscle around the knee. Ive been using it to get up a lagging teardrop lately and its working nicely.

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spike
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18 Jan 2011 19:32 #59593 by spike

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Haha, fair enough. Its not my first choice, i prefer to have my spotter behind me. Yeah power training is a little different, maybe i'll give it a go and get my ass to the floor for a bit. shock these quads into further growth

Um, but im scared of needles...

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00pump
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19 Jan 2011 05:14 #59608 by 00pump

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I will never train with a power lifting again.. That was one of the few times I spewed my lungs out in the gym.. I never just felt weak I felt like he was a full grown man and I will like 5. What makes it worse is I had so much gear flowing through my veins and I couldn't squat 2/10th's of what he was doing

I'll stick to moffie squats

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Romp3L
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19 Jan 2011 06:54 #59617 by Romp3L

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Luckily, im a smoker and i have crazy lung capacity so i can keep up with the powerlifters. I just dont go as heavy tho. Thats not what we are trained to do as bodybuilders. They cant keep up with the magic sets at the end of the workout at 50 reps.
That makes u wana puke.lol
To each his own i always say.

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Empire
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19 Jan 2011 07:01 #59619 by Empire

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i personally would look at training your legs twice a week if they are battling like you say... monday : Squats,Leg Press,Hack Squats,extensions followed off by lunges... friday:Walking Lunges,squats,Hamstring curls,Stiff leg dead lifts finished off with leg press with your feet as high as possible on the board to target glutes and hams...if you are training with heavy weight and low volume... thats the way your legs will grow... then you just adjust your training split to do back,chest,shoulders,tris and bi's on 3 other days of the week,taking a day off after 2 days and another off after 3 days.

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trubore
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19 Jan 2011 19:33 #59673 by trubore

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Thanks DJ, will definitely do that... Sounds like fun... I'm going to do legs again on Friday, starting to enjoy it more and more... My chest is also lagging, but thats just cause I hate doing chest....

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spike
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19 Jan 2011 19:43 #59674 by spike

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Well tonight I tried your guys deep squatting, goin down til my bum is as close to the floor as it'll get (maybe im inflexible but i dunno how anyone actually touches their ass to the floor...). Weights of course had to be a bit lighter, just managed 110kg... but its a start. will work at it to see if I can get my deep squats up to what my 'bodybuilder' squats are

Um, but im scared of needles...

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jackrabbit1
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20 Jan 2011 06:40 #59681 by jackrabbit1

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Haha - i dont quite go to where your ass touches your ankles. Somewhere between 90 and that.
110 from way down there is not all that bad.

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Dukkes
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20 Jan 2011 11:25 #59731 by Dukkes

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Eidh, dunno of "moffie squats" hey, but i do know that most powerlifters use box squats instead of back squats, i tried it recetly and it works real well for strenght gains.... just google how to do it.

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Koe007
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20 Jan 2011 12:37 #59734 by Koe007

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Hi, I always did deep squats till I landed up with serious knee pain years down the line, personally I get good development going just a little past 90 degrees more than that and my knees are stuffed.

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00pump
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20 Jan 2011 13:18 #59737 by 00pump

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Koe007 i'm in your boat, I have damaged my patella to such a point I can hardly walk. If I stand up for peroids longer than 10 minutes at a time it becomes painful. I can't squat anymore and can only do EXTREMELY light leg press, maybe 120kgs, even that I struggle to walk a day or two afterwards (not because of my legs being saw but my knees

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Koe007
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20 Jan 2011 13:38 #59739 by Koe007

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Its bad want to get it checked as everytime I do legs can't walk the next day because of the knee pain, chowing dicloflam to assist, but that's bad for stomach linings. On leg size intensity is important, Arnold also believed in working legs 2* per week as DJ suggested, I would agree if it is a lagging body part. Legs according to me are genetic for what little I have I had to work my butt off for. When I trained with Damian we used to carry a bucket around with us when we worked legs, puke = good workout.

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00pump
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20 Jan 2011 13:46 #59740 by 00pump

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The legs stopped growing 6 years ago.. It's impossible to grow them, I train them light to keep them toned. Do you guys think with 3 days a wee, mon / wed / fri (light as thats all I can do, I will get any further size) out of them.

I struggle sometimes to even do 6X 80kgs, so it would need to be super light, I also can not do any leg extensions and leg curls need to be so light as the movement coming down is controlled by the knee which is too painful.

I don't want to jack this any further so just want to ask spike, once the synovial fluid is gone and you have a gap, nothing but a knee op can correct this right?

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Dukkes
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20 Jan 2011 15:09 #59749 by Dukkes

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Can quad injections help increase the size of quads, im asking coz when i was on cycle my glutes kinda looked like kim kardashians as i only did glute inj for 12weeks?

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00pump
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20 Jan 2011 15:43 #59751 by 00pump

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No it cant increase the size of the muscle

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jackrabbit1
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20 Jan 2011 15:56 #59752 by jackrabbit1

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A little past 90 deg is perfect.
I'm growing on twice a week. Hammies and quads split. I do extra extensions on the hammy day for a lagging teardrop.
Hack-squats i completely bottom out. I find it much easier on the knees than to try and stop half way.

The main thing for me was the mental block i built up. Never had much leg with small calves and straight back of leg - no hammy. I always went to gym hammering out leg curls etc hardly growing. The biggest change was to forget the weight. Concentrate on contracting the muscle and going through the motions. Slowly but surely. Weight gets added week after week - slowly never forgetting that you need to get through the workout to get enough stimulation.

I now look at my legs and i NEVER imagined them to look like this. If i just applied this strategy earlier on i would be double the size. I can wear rugby shorts with pride! :laugh: :laugh:

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00pump
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20 Jan 2011 17:01 #59753 by 00pump

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Lol, nice. Ive read deep squats is actually good for guys with injuries, just google you will see what I mean.

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spike
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20 Jan 2011 17:44 #59754 by spike

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pump, with that sort of damage there is very little to be done hey. Any other treatment will simply be pain control im afraid

Um, but im scared of needles...

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