Sleepless nights - help...

Woops double post, can't delete from my phone.

Nolva does aggrevate 19 nor and tren gyno. I have personally experienced this. Neither 19 nors or tren boost progesterone levels. They are progestins and bind directly with the progesterone receptor. This is what stimulates prolactin to be released.

Tren binds to the progesterone receptor with 60% the affinity of progesterone. Sure, prolactin is not released unless there is estrogen present but if you are on test as well, even on a modest dose of arimidex where you might be safe from estrogen gyno, you still have enough estradiol circulating to allow for gyno causing prolactin to cause havoc.

Could one then run a AI or proviron throughout a test+tren cycle to control estrogen and in turn prolacting? Seems to get really confusing once you get gino from running tren as there is no clear way of determining if its estrogen gyno or prolacting gino

You need an AI and anti prolactin. Unless you are heavy dosing Arimidex or aromasin they will just lower estrogen levels enough to prevent estrogen gyno and water retention, but you can still have enough circulating estradiol to get gyno from high prolactin levels.
Letro would lower estrogen enough, but at the required dose your gains will suffer and you'll feel like shit boet.

Muscleaddict wrote: You need an AI and anti prolactin. Unless you are heavy dosing Arimidex or aromasin they will just lower estrogen levels enough to prevent estrogen gyno and water retention, but you can still have enough circulating estradiol to get gyno from high prolactin levels.
Letro would lower estrogen enough, but at the required dose your gains will suffer and you'll feel like shit boet.

So the best would be to just keep a AI and anti prolacting on hand and dose according to gyno? If any!

When using a 19 nor test esp, which is generally run with test, i would always run an anti e as there is a definite link between estrogen and prolactin and run an anti prolactin. If you're using a relatively high dose of tren or deca always run anti prolactin as well as anti e, if your 19 nor tests are low you can run anti e and keep the anti prolactin on hand and roll the dice, but i would always run it
Bromo has sides in some people so caber is your best bet if you've never used bromo before and don't know how you handle it.

Yohimbe wrote: When using a 19 nor test esp, which is generally run with test, i would always run an anti e as there is a definite link between estrogen and prolactin and run an anti prolactin. If you're using a relatively high dose of tren or deca always run anti prolactin as well as anti e, if your 19 nor tests are low you can run anti e and keep the anti prolactin on hand and roll the dice, but i would always run it
Bromo has sides in some people so caber is your best bet if you've never used bromo before and don't know how you handle it.

How would you know at what dosages to run caber or bromo? Reason I'm asking is I saw a guy post that he takes half a tab eod? Sounds like guessing and hoping for the best! So like I sayd in my previous post its a good idea to run a anti estrogen through out your cycle

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I would always run anti e throughout the cycle if running a 19 nor test
The caber dose would be 0.25mg every third or fourth day

Wow this shits getting really technical now lol. OK so at the moment, I dont have any issues (besides the very small bit of gyno) so wouldnt the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" rule apply here? Of course I would keep all of these on hand just in case...Caber and Letro, and the Nolva would be included in PCT?

Yeah I was considering this for my next cycle, well actually my trainer recommended it! But I don't feel comfortable using it yet, maybe a future cycle! Just to many unknowns

Yohimbe wrote: I would always run anti e throughout the cycle if running a 19 nor test
The caber dose would be 0.25mg every third or fourth day

And at what dose should I run Letro as well?

Aqueel wrote:

Yohimbe wrote: I would always run anti e throughout the cycle if running a 19 nor test
The caber dose would be 0.25mg every third or fourth day

And at what dose should I run Letro as well?

If you're running letro as a preventative anti e you don't need any more than 0.25mg EOD at the doses of test you're on-letro is very harsh.

From what i understand you've had the gyno from a previous cycle and it hasn't gone worse or come back on this cycle, so you're looking at a preventative measure, but you are gyno prone so keep an eye on it and if you start feeling any of the tell tale signs of gyno despite being on the 0.25mg EOD-itchy sensitive nips-up the letro dose immediately.

Yohimbe wrote:

Aqueel wrote:

Yohimbe wrote: I would always run anti e throughout the cycle if running a 19 nor test
The caber dose would be 0.25mg every third or fourth day

And at what dose should I run Letro as well?

If you're running letro as a preventative anti e you don't need any more than 0.25mg EOD at the doses of test you're on-letro is very harsh.

From what i understand you've had the gyno from a previous cycle and it hasn't gone worse or come back on this cycle, so you're looking at a preventative measure, but you are gyno prone so keep an eye on it and if you start feeling any of the tell tale signs of gyno despite being on the 0.25mg EOD-itchy sensitive nips-up the letro dose immediately.

Thanks bud! will give it a shot

Ok so Zolpidem doesnt do jack shit for me. Also tried taking it with Alzam and nothing! Just a lil dizziness and thats it. No sleep at all. I've managed to get some Dormonoct. Has anyone tried this?

I've finally got my Caber and Letro. Started today. Caber at .5mg every 4th day (its hard to break that small 1mg tab into 4 quarters and Letro at .3mg EOD (each drop is .10mg so its kinda hard to get .25mg). Question is, i've been running Proviron from beginning of cycle, tapered up from 25mg everyday, to 75mg everyday now.

Should I drop the Proviron dosage while on caber and letro? or just leave it at 75mg ED?

Also, after how long should I start to see the effects of the caber and letro?