So it begins ...

Ok change mind the back pumps are insaaaaannneee,I can handle maybe 10min walking round at the mall.wrists were sore yesterday but that has gone away. Today 98.8kg

Today did split dosage 6am 2.5iu and now 2.5iu directly between meals.

100.50kg today yay broke the 100kg mark, first time since i dieted down to 93.5kg a few weeks ago.

Holy crap! Please just be carefull with that slin!

I am very much so and have been in 2 minds even about posting about it as I don't want to encourage anyone.I am meticulous and weigh every gram of sugar etc etc,and even so I have teetered with hypo

101.3kg today.I have 4 weeks Left oncycle,if this carries on 110kg could be on the cards

Long time no post, hope you still alive

Lol 102 kg ,hands are still stiff ,have taken a few days break from slin.split dosage now am and pm,been running ed ,a kit doesn't last that long lol

Get small lumps underneath inj site but they go away after a few days luckily

lol Didn't see you online, thought.....jk's
How goes the strength?

Lol no still alive and kicking ,had 2 hypo moments on 10iu while I was playing with carbs .but otherwise healthy heheheheh strength is good ,I train on my own so struggle to really test myself ,but def on the up

HAHA make the VA floor staff earn their wages!!!

" oy' you there, scratching your bum, come give me a spot" lol

My diet has been atrocious the last 4 or 5 days ,but felt I needed the mental break.still hovering round 100kg mark.holding water behind abdominal wall which is irritating,I certainly have put on some fat but not too much.first day back with slin today 10iu went well.

My joints well elbows are shattered though and hands still tight .still on 5 iu ed kefie but only have 1 day left till switch to nomatropin and will see how that goes.

All shots subq , bb_g would be keen to read that log that you mentioned.

Once you have the basics of aas understood its pretty straight forward from there all I can say is gh is an open book.every person has a diFferent way of taking it and theory behind it.I have discovered there is no perfect way but just to chose a way that suites you. Some guys massive doses 20iu 3 x week in one go ,this seems to be gaining popularity amoungst competitive guys .the sweet spot for growth with gh seems to be 8 to 10 iu ed for most and fatloss around 4iu to 5 iu.this of course if one reacts well to it and doesn't suffer to many sides .good gh seems to be kefie and nomatropin on the cheaper side and humatrope seems to have a very very good reputation but is hellishly expensive at any dose which makes it prohibitive for most.


Would love to run 8 iu ed but even 6iu is going to be a push and realistically 6 iu 5 on 2 off is going to have to do unless something changes lol.although I am considering once all levels are up and I am seeing results from it around month 5 or 6 doing a 6 week run at 8iu ed and see if its worth it.

No probs, will have a look for you in the morning

well i tried the split dose but prefer all 5iu in one shot, i know its sick but get more sides with one shot lol

one thing it makes you sleep well, i have major problems sleeping now all of a sudden i cant wake up, missed legs this morning and took my shot late because of it now have to train later lol and re structure diet around later today

Gearedup wrote:

bb_guy would be keen to read that log that you mentioned.

The log that I thought to be I.M. HGH log was actually an Intravenous HGH log, sorry....

no problem, not quite ready to try iv just yet, been following a couple logs here and there.

been on 20 days , switched to noma today , have good feeling about noma, packaged well, mixes easier . will wait and see .

well had my best workout in ages now, couldnt work out this am, so worked out round 11.30, one thing that did change is an hour before i had some oats and small pro shake , and a pro / oil shake much earlier for breakfast.

was stronger on all lifts , finished my workout still full of energy, had my slin, no hypo moments at all, usually it makes me feel very tired and i ride just above hypo, nothing like that this time round.

if someone can clear something up for me, kefie and nomatropin are both what they call blue tops........apparently same powder from same chinese pharm..........so no real difference in quality etc? so no real reason to pay more ?

hi gearedup

i heard the same thing, but some people reacted different to noma and kefei some say kefei some say noma, thats why i would like to try the serotropin in sept after i finish my course works out much more cost effective by my grocer. but what would you say is the absolute minimum time to stay on growth??

Hi roozer,

Well let me tell you 24h after first noma shot my hands are 10 times worse ,it feels like hectic water bloat but only in my hands,I can't close a proper fist best example,ever had a really hard back workout and the next day your hands are stiff and sore from deadlifts .no tingling though.

I can't tell you absolute mininum,but largely dependent on goals,fatloss wellbeing 2 to 3iu ed optimum 4iu ,muscle growth 5 to 6iu mininum 8 to 10iu optimum.these are ed figures.again I know some big guys who can't go over 3iu ?


also depends on age, a 22yr old will probably have very little benefit as there natty levels are already high, but say someone mid thirties early 40's and upwards would ebenfit greatly even from lower doses , one guy has been on for a decade ed at 1iu and has been more than happy so ?

The eod protocol has fallen from grace unless massive dosages of 20iu eod .I am still on 5iu ed for another 2 weeks then 6iu 5 on 2 off .its diffecult for me to tell much at this stage largely due to being on to many compounds to split hairs so relying on sides lol

a few things i will say thats changed over the last 3 weeks :

- massive weight gain especially at the tail end of a long cycle - slin
- quality of workouts greatly improved - gh
- sleep much better - gh
- sex drive increase but different to test type increase - gh
- very very tight stiff hands - gh
- increasing vascularity on chest and now back even though bf is still high to me - gh
- strength increase in gym - slin
- sense of wellbeing just overall less stressed less paranoid, its started slow with a day here and there but no seems to be a daily emotion undercurrent - gh


now i suppose i am just hoping all this isnt just a placebo effect ahahhahaha and i have been shooting hcg

do you take a lot of additional glutamine? i read it can enhance effects? (maybe some of you pros know?)
oh ja and way doesnt the profile on hgh/igf work?
thanks for the updates - very interesting and helpfull for us potential users!

just 10g a day along with creatine, one sensation i can tell you, a few hours after training and pw shake is my body feels like its going to burst to the point of being very uncomfortable, like excessive water bloat , but it isnt water bloat . i will let the pro's say if it does or doesnt help, i have just taken all the advice and followed

oh ok - sounds like a weird (but awesome!) sensation! :lol:
i will definitely add the glutamine - thanks. now i must just still figure out whats the best with regards to the ed or eod problem (ive heard sooo much contradictory results) and try to convince myself to take the slin! (im shit afraid of that stuff!)

i think the 5 on 2 off is the best bet from what i have found, its even recommended for those staying on longer than 6 months as there is no concrete evidence either way supporting whether it shuts down natty production in the long run. there is no perfect way to take it , i think it boils down for the majority of us down to finances , i would personally run 10iu ed forever if i was in a position to do so but i am not lol

i think 3iu 5 on 2 off is enough to warrent some results and prove worthwhile for most , i might be wrong i have a whole 3 weeks experience and just alot of research so take it with a pinch of salt ?

slin , shew man i wont by principal recommend it to anyone , i just wont accept the responsibility. its a catch 22 drug, it can bite you in the bum very very quickly, you cant stop anyone from doing it but do the research and then do some more. i grew up with it not personally taking it but being around insulin diabetics and first hand dealing with high and low blood sugar levels so maybe why i feel comfortable with it, but hypo ist fun, i have had one serious case of hypo, dropped to around 2 , i could barely get to my coke a few metres away it was an effort and on the day had felt i had done everything right, nowadays i consume less carbs than is suggested and i am fine but coke sweets no more than a metre away at all times, and i immediately know as my sugar drops i have a few jelly tots or a sip coke and a few minutes later i am fine.

thanks a million man. think ill wait with the slin for my first time and continue to read up on studies and follow your progress.
i see you take everything (hgh) in one dose. do you think there is a big difference between taking everything at once (mixed with bacterial water) or spliting the doses up (with distilled water) or are you only limiting the injections?

Frikkie wrote:

thanks a million man. think ill wait with the slin for my first time and continue to read up on studies and follow your progress.
i see you take everything (hgh) in one dose. do you think there is a big difference between taking everything at once (mixed with bacterial water) or spliting the doses up (with distilled water) or are you only limiting the injections?

just mix 10iu with water supplied distilled. its mainly ease of use , 5iu seems to be the "limit" for single dose application, but again open to interpretation some take 20iu at once lol but some studies say anything above and you risk enlarging cancer growths etc with the spike. but other studies disprove this so it goes on and on.

its just a pain travelling with a vial in a cooler box up and down, and dont want to keep 1 at work and 1 at home because i fear it being mixed to long and it denatures ? some say 1 dose 5iu is fine, alot say a slit dose 2.5iu am and p.m is better, some say split dose better for fatloss and single dose better for muscle gains , so confusion riegns lol

i will judge as time goes by and with results, i believe i am suffering sides which is a good thing, it makes me confident i have legit stuff and B. its working :blink: