Deadgoat 1st Cycle Log/Progress thread

This injection business' got me abit confused. Quite a few users say inject slowly and remove the needle slowly, but the injection protocol article (which I went by) on the site says the exact obvious, so which is it?

looking good bro .. put up more photos .. been off the site for a while and great to come back and see the progress you have made naturally ! very impressive .. sure you going to be a beast by the end of it !! advice on the jabbing in my opinion .. slow push as i find if you bang it in i get stiff and sore and nice and slow works better for me .. pulling the pin out nice and safe is the best way .. hope that helps .. well done bro

I inject slowly and remove fast

Most important is to relax the muscle.
Going in: Quad - Slooooow, Delt slow, Glute not too slow - Find what works for you.
Pulling out: interval - i have 3 steps. Feel it closes the gap behind the needle and keeps the blood/oil in.

I remember a time when i used to just pinch a chunk of muscle on muy quad and jab! Eish. Scary.
Worst is when you get blunt needles.

I inject as quickly as I can, without forcing the gear in. This seems to end up being .25ml going in, then a 2 or 3 second pause before the next .25ml.

@DG: the speed with which you pin and remove does not matter as much, I believe, as keeping the needle stable. That's why I prefer injecting in the quads, because you are able to assist with your weak hand.

Yeah had a lot trouble aspirating as I had to reach around my body and it felt like I was gonna tear an oblique, the needle moved a bit and came out about a quarter of an inch then I pushed it back again and injected. Did glutes to avoid the quad pain I had last week, think I'll have to go back to quads after this ordeal

I just turned 23 and I'm about 109kg now but I have leaned out since I did my first cycle so I've dropped some fat too are you studying now bud?

Deadgoat wrote: Yeah had a lot trouble aspirating as I had to reach around my body and it felt like I was gonna tear an oblique, the needle moved a bit and came out about a quarter of an inch then I pushed it back again and injected. Did glutes to avoid the quad pain I had last week, think I'll have to go back to quads after this ordeal

:lol: Rib cramp!

You'll get used to the stretch.
use a mirror.
opposite hand reaches and pulls the skin(z-track). Same side hand jabs, aspirates and plunges slowly.
Easy. Remember - halfway into your glute is the sciatic nerve - you dont want to go near that so halve again and go to the outer quarter. Thats not too much of a rotation/stretch.

Deadgoat wrote: Yeah had a lot trouble aspirating as I had to reach around my body and it felt like I was gonna tear an oblique, the needle moved a bit and came out about a quarter of an inch then I pushed it back again and injected. Did glutes to avoid the quad pain I had last week, think I'll have to go back to quads after this ordeal

Hey bud, awesome to see you finally started and all the best, I really hope you get the gains you deserve my man. Why don't you hit delts instead of quads, the first time is a b*tch as its virgin muscle but then you get used to it. I alternate between glutes and delts.

@Tippster great progress bro, yeah busy with my 4th year of a neverending degree will hopefully graduate next year if the stars align

@JR did exactly what you outlined, but I injected halfway down the outer half as I felt there might be too much fat any higher than that and didn't want to accidentally inject subQ, not a problem?

@Dave thanks bro, think I'm done trying out new bodyparts to inject for now will just alternate between my right glute and quad. What's the issue with scar tissue forming? Never understood that

Update, halfway through week 3 and currently up by 5kg (100kg). Water's done wonders for my size everyone's commented on how much I've put on recently and whatnot arms up to 18" which feels great.

Strength gains have been abysmal though. My working set numbers (3-6 rep range) haven't changed at all and its only when I drop the weight to get to the 8-12 rep range has my strength increased a bit. Which means I'll have to do full on "bodybuilding" training for the rest of my cycle to get the best out of it and will have to reassess those strength goals I was after initially.

Have to be honest not quite the results I had in mind when I started the dbol, gains have been similar to what I get from creatine mono in terms of size and strength, recovery's been fantastic so far though

u put on 5kgs with creatine mono and get as strong? hmmm....

bro drop that 3-6 working range thing,are u training for strength or size,if u want size 6-12 reps is where you want to be,read books by chris aceto and u will see that...

hows your infection?

Lol funny enough I usually put on 4-5kg of water on mono and add 5-10kg to my bench in a 4-6 week period, I honestly found it hard to believe that I'm the only one on this site who gets good gains off creatine

I wanna be big AND strong (bear mode) so I like going heavy but looks like that won't be possible so will switch to 6-12 reps full time now.

Finished my 5 day course of augmentum yesterday, swelling's all but disappeared and no pain at all. Will go to the doc later today and he'll most probably prescribe me some more anti-biotics to hopefully finish off the last of the infection. Still haven't done my shot for the week and its looking like I might only get to do it next week which I could pay for 4-5 weeks from now

What is your calorie intake at the moment?

Deadgoat when I was doing my cycle I only really started noticing anything serious from about week 5 or 6 and by week 11 it had almost stopped, I then switched from 500mg test cyp to 640mg supertest a week and tweaked my calories a bit. I hounestly think my gains and strength on the 5 weeks of supertest were better than the 10weeks of cyp in comparison, it probably has something to do with the short esters.

Deadgoat wrote: Lol funny enough I usually put on 4-5kg of water on mono and add 5-10kg to my bench in a 4-6 week period, I honestly found it hard to believe that I'm the only one on this site who gets good gains off creatine

I wanna be big AND strong (bear mode) so I like going heavy but looks like that won't be possible so will switch to 6-12 reps full time now.

Finished my 5 day course of augmentum yesterday, swelling's all but disappeared and no pain at all. Will go to the doc later today and he'll most probably prescribe me some more anti-biotics to hopefully finish off the last of the infection. Still haven't done my shot for the week and its looking like I might only get to do it next week which I could pay for 4-5 weeks from now

whaaat? 4-5kg of water? You sure you not drinking salt?

kkkyle it probably has to do with the calorie change.

@DJ currently at 3.3k, moving up slowly. Started the cycle at maintenance as I'd just come off a cut so thought that would be enough to get me started. Gonna be upping calories by 200 every week, don't wanna jump by 500 as at the end I'll be getting in about 6-7k which I doubt I can get down and I doubt will be justified by how much weight I've actually gained in that time

@Kyle you also frontloaded with dbol right, you get nothing from that size or strengthwise?

@iMan lol, quick Q what does everyone else generally gain from creatine? I genuinely believe its the best thing out there next to gear

in on this

stoked to see your progress, best of luck goatbrah!

Deadgoat wrote: @DJ currently at 3.3k, moving up slowly. Started the cycle at maintenance as I'd just come off a cut so thought that would be enough to get me started. Gonna be upping calories by 200 every week, don't wanna jump by 500 as at the end I'll be getting in about 6-7k which I doubt I can get down and I doubt will be justified by how much weight I've actually gained in that time

@Kyle you also frontloaded with dbol right, you get nothing from that size or strengthwise?

@iMan lol, quick Q what does everyone else generally gain from creatine? I genuinely believe its the best thing out there next to gear

I agree it's great, but I don't really hold back water on it. How long do you cycle and dosage? Ondier's stuff?

@MorphBrah thanks broseph, got 2 weeks left of 4 month banned camp will hit you up with some greens on my return

@iMan usually use usn/evox (creatine is creatine) for 6 weeks, normal blast/cruise creatine dose (forgot)

Deadgoat wrote: @MorphBrah thanks broseph, got 2 weeks left of 4 month banned camp will hit you up with some greens on my return

@iMan usually use usn/evox (creatine is creatine) for 6 weeks, normal blast/cruise creatine dose (forgot)

mmm strange, why not switch over to CEE or you can even try Creapure perhaps. So you take about 7-10g a day, believe you do not need more than that. You say you pick up 4kg in 6 weeks, that a shit load

How's your cycle going buddy?

@iMan have used CEE in the past don't remember what results were like just remember the price difference didn't match the results so stuck with mono. Usually gain most of the 4kg by the 2nd week after the loading phase

@Tippster cycle's going well test kicked in last week (about 24 days in) and strength is up repping 90kg and 210kg on shoulder press and deadlift which is good considering how much of a disappointment the dbol was strength-wise. Was unable to train this week do to re-laying of the carpet at the gym, thank you very fucking much UCT.

Weight is at 103kg as of yesterday (up 8kg so far), recovery is phenomenal but endurance not so much find I'm struggling to destroy the 2nd bodypart I usually train in my workouts. So far no side effects to talk of and even though I'm holding a bit of water nothing I'm not used to with creatine so far