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www.ergo-log.com/tribnoeffect.html

Go read this. 2009 study supporting the other side.

Anyway if you guys want to believe that tribulus causes gyno then so be it.

I am trying to understand where my doctor is coming from. I haven't made any conclusions yet. Try not to go for the throat when someone is trying to add value by showing a medical study.

Noted pyro. Also even if tribulus caused gyno it would of been due to dhea, and not an increase in testosterone(if i understand this correctly.) This still does not explain his funny hormone levels? And thats if his protein shake even contained tribulus. I just feel theres way to much shooting in the dark (from doctors in general) and would rather contact a specialist if the problem does not clear up.

Agree with you 100% bro. If I know my doc he is just trying to eliminate all of the contributing factors and he doesn't necessarily think that is the main cause of the gyno and test levels. The way I understand hormone levels like test and estrogen there are literally a million variables to consider so it's very hard to pinpoint the exact reason. It would seem that the gyno is going away (according to Virus) so all is well that ends well hey.

Pyroclasm wrote:

INB4 wrote: Just by any chance is your whey protein USN Hardcore with Tribulus in it?
It might be causing it.
And yes before there is a shitstorm there has been a study on this.
Source=====> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15454201
and some more =====> www.livestrong.com/article/526154-does-t...-cause-gynecomastia/

But looking at the pictures looks like what we used to call Stoneys

Thanx for the effort bro don't mind progressive. To quote from that article:
"TRIBULUS AND GYNECOMASTIA

In a 2004 study published in the health journal "Breast," researchers found a positive correlation between the
use of tribulus terrestris and the onset of gynecomastia in men. According to "Natural Medications for
Psychiatric Disorders," tribulus terrestris supplementation can increase dehydroepiandrosterone levels. High
amounts of DHEA in your bloodstream can cause several side effects, including gynecomastia in men."

Well I am probably the most sensitive person on this forum when it comes to supplements/hormones can that can trigger gynecomastia, and I have never had any problems while using Tribulus, I don't find these natural supplements that effective in any way in all honesty.

So do you think the study is BS? I have a big problem with the word 'correlation' as we use it I'm engineering all the time. We had a case study that 'correlates' the number of chappies bought in a year with the number of murders that occurred that year. Eish!

Aren't we straying off the point that the doc said V1rus's testosterone level was "too high", but that tribulus does not elevate testosterone above the normal range in humans despite all the marketing hype. So there is no way this was caused by tribulus and tribulus has nothing to do with his 'condition' anyway.

Plus the whey he was taking was USN and also Ondier's BSSA whey. There is nothing that will boost testosterone or estrogen levels in there. Sounds like clutching at straws to me.

MA let's say for example you were the doc and it was you who said that the dude must stay off the supps for a while and everyone on this forum was flaming you for it. I would stick up for you and say that even though I am inclined to agree with everyone on the forum, I know that you have a good reason for saying that which you did. So I will stick by you because you have a lot of credibility, even though your reason is not clear. That's how I feel about my doc and all that.

Sorry haven't been on this thread in a while. Look really the doc is just as Pyro said "eliminating all of the contributing factors". I respect that and I am listening to him!.

For sure boet. It doesn't mean he isn't a good, knowledgeable doctor. But at least let us have a laugh at the bit where he said there is testosterone in some protein shakes. :lol: Whether there was a misinterpretation or not that is still bloody funny.

You may have your laugh good sir.

I still think someone should go back to the doc and ask him to explain ...ten to one find what he says and what has been said could be two different stories

Very true, you don't become an MD over night.

mike123 wrote: I still think someone should go back to the doc and ask him to explain ...ten to one find what he says and what has been said could be two different stories

I'm just waiting to get sick then I will definately ask him bro.

I will be going back to him in about 2 weeks.

Look he said one of his medical friends was doing some research about test in some protein shakes and wants to see if taking me off it for a few weeks helps with my high test levels.

Test in shakes,.......... kak! , found any cocaine in there 2 ?

cool V1 ...let us know.

snuif die goed wortel and see :lol:

Spoke to my doc about this the other day. He told me they did bloodwork on the lad and there was something in his blood that could only have been caused by the Whey supplements. He told me that under no circumstances is he allowed to tell me what it is. So ja that was the reason my doc told him to stop the supplements, and not that there is testosterone in the whey ffs! Hahaha

Cocaine Tjom, die dokter hou als vir homself

Are you sure you did not do one of those oral cycles that most guys try when starting out with gear.
Get a second opinion!!!!

Pyroclasm wrote: Spoke to my doc about this the other day. He told me they did bloodwork on the lad and there was something in his blood that could only have been caused by the Whey supplements. He told me that under no circumstances is he allowed to tell me what it is. So ja that was the reason my doc told him to stop the supplements, and not that there is testosterone in the whey ffs! Hahaha

What is interesting is that V1rus said he had been using only USN whey and BSSA's whey. So basically the doc is saying that either USN or BSSA's products contains something very dodgy that messes with testosterone levels and causes high estrogen levels. Hmmmmm.

Muscleaddict wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Spoke to my doc about this the other day. He told me they did bloodwork on the lad and there was something in his blood that could only have been caused by the Whey supplements. He told me that under no circumstances is he allowed to tell me what it is. So ja that was the reason my doc told him to stop the supplements, and not that there is testosterone in the whey ffs! Hahaha

What is interesting is that V1rus said he had been using only USN whey and BSSA's whey. So basically the doc is saying that either USN or BSSA's products contains something very dodgy that messes with testosterone levels and causes high estrogen levels. Hmmmmm.

Maybe he is saying that it does not have to do with test/estrogen levels but rather something else dodgy in the whey?

Yes either way he's saying that either the USN or BSSA whey must have something dodgy in it that caused V1rus's estrogen to be around 350. That's almost 10x higher than normal. Pity we never got to the bottom of this.

maybe the lab made a mistake. i did test once at a lab via a doc. test results on my test was very very low. so we tried a different lab and test results said i was in the clear.

Could it have been soy protein maybe present in the whey?