ME winny oral and injectable issue

Yeah well for All I know "juiceboy" was someone else, who found his articles on the internet,,, checked that they weren't bs first,, and then submitted them to ME

You are right,, I don't know AR,,, but I know that someone who, in my eyes,, and the proof is in Print ,, mixes up Endo / and Exo Test,,, should not be giving advice as an expert.....

Ok Ok I'll lay off AR ,,,,

Fair enough. You're welcome on S.com where I'm a HOF'er, if you're around those parts.

Thanks for giving me the time to talk.

Guys, let's finish up this string with one final conclusion : RESPECT
Respect and many thanks to those people out there, irrespective what or who they are, who try and supply us with good information. I know what it takes to work through literally thousands of pages of information and to read EVERY word of it and then to do a synopsis of the applicable facts. I do this every day in my job - it takes effort, the type of effort 99,99% of people out there do not grasp.
So RESPECT to those who supply information so that we can all know more about our sport.

By the way, I know JuiceBoy personally very well. It was never his intent to "steal" AR's articles. All he did, is to regurgitate the info at a time when ME desperately needed someone knowledgeable to fill this nyche. And remember, at that time, no one from overseas was willing to do this in our local ME Mag....yet.
Now that AR does this, JuiceBoy does not feel the need to continue his articles.

Let's wrap this up - RESPECT.

Must be hones dont love AR's stuff that much either.... but to each his own

This turned out to be as good as I hoped...I dare anyone to read this thread from the beginning and to not laugh their arse of at how ridiculous it makes some of the posters look.

Anthony Roberts is a joke, a fraud an idiot who hides behind an assumed name...JuiceBoy is insightful, informative and obviously had really cool parents who thankfully were insightful enough to bless him with a name that would fit right into his area of interest in the future...I mean...what the hell is going on here? Have some of you been injecting cranially?

JuiceBoy ripped off Anthony Roberts work fullstop...everything that people like Batman have attributed to JuiceBoy should actually be attributed to Anthony...when you look at the stuff side by side you can see that JuiceBoy didn't even try to hide the fact that he was just blatantly ripping off someone else's work...it makes me wonder what sort of advice I'm likely to get on this site after the first thread I read here makes a number of senior posters and moderators appear to be morons.

I suppose I'll just have to be more discerning and hope for better from other contributors.

Ok ok- just remember opinions are like assholes- everyone has one. I dont know either off the okes and I rate neither. So lets keep it well manered and semi professional:silly:

I don't know juiceboy,,, nor can I say anything about his integrity ,, and neither do I defend him..


BUT I stand by my opinion on AR! I have pointed out numerous Glaring Errors in AR's work,, I would take advice from anyone on this site or any other site,, before I take advice from a Moron who thinks T3 converts into T4,,, and somebody who touts Testosterone Suspension as being such and awesome drug for bodybuilders ...

I'm Sorry Dyslexia is not an excuse for giving out incorrect advice ,,, !


Scaldy wrote:

This turned out to be as good as I hoped...I dare anyone to read this thread from the beginning and to not laugh their arse of at how ridiculous it makes some of the posters look.

Anthony Roberts is a joke, a fraud an idiot who hides behind an assumed name...JuiceBoy is insightful, informative and obviously had really cool parents who thankfully were insightful enough to bless him with a name that would fit right into his area of interest in the future...I mean...what the hell is going on here? Have some of you been injecting cranially?

JuiceBoy ripped off Anthony Roberts work fullstop...everything that people like Batman have attributed to JuiceBoy should actually be attributed to Anthony...when you look at the stuff side by side you can see that JuiceBoy didn't even try to hide the fact that he was just blatantly ripping off someone else's work...it makes me wonder what sort of advice I'm likely to get on this site after the first thread I read here makes a number of senior posters and moderators appear to be morons.

I suppose I'll just have to be more discerning and hope for better from other contributors.

If they are not typos, and they are "errors" as you claim, then why does he only get it "wrong" a couple of times in several hundred pages of work? In his entire book (where the suspension profile is from), there's a few mix ups (2-3?) like that in 400 pages of writing.

Does he become stupid every few hundred pages, or un-know things? Does he become an idiot because he made 3-4 mistakes in that book? Or is it a simple typo?

IS HE BRILLIANT in Beyond Steroids (second book? or third...I know it's either his second or third book), because there is not a single mistake or typo (the editor has a masters degree in a related field)? Is he brilliant in the MesoRx profiles, which are also flawless (editor had a degree in sports medicine)? Will he be a genius when the first book is reprinted with a better editor now?

The "mistakes" aren't because he doesn't know what he's talking about..because he gets it right EVERY OTHER TIME...it's because a few times, due to a vision problem, he juxtaposes words for each other, and doesn't see it. Do you even know what dyslexia is? Do you know that when he reads over that part, it looks right to him, because the words are switched?

You're not making sense. You're saying he's stupid for typos that are clearly typos. You're saying a typo is an error, and therefore he's a moron. You actually think you know more than someone who wrote 3 books on the topic? I think that's far fetched.

As for testosterone suspension, it's interesting how you think it's a "fact" that you will get an abscess and that it's a "fact" that it's not a good drug.

Honestly, I met AR once, and talk to him all the time, and you don't know as much as him, even if you say you do on a message board, and point out some typos.

Doctari wrote:

By the way, I know JuiceBoy personally very well. It was never his intent to "steal" AR's articles. All he did, is to regurgitate the info at a time when ME desperately needed someone knowledgeable to fill this nyche. And remember, at that time, no one from overseas was willing to do this in our local ME Mag....yet.
Now that AR does this, JuiceBoy does not feel the need to continue his articles.

Let's wrap this up - RESPECT.

I'd like to add that not only was my buddy (AR) willing to write for ME, but he likes the magazine and the staff so much that he does it for FREE. I don't know where some of the animosity comes from (jealousy?), but AR doesn't ask for a single penny from ME for articles, and people here are trashing him.

This is what sucks about the steroid using community. AR is respected enough that every major news outlet in the states talks to him, he's put out 3 books on steroids, is senior editor for the biggest steroid site on the net...and on a 200 member message board 99% of the membership thinks they know more than him.

And one of the people who just a day ago they all claimed was a far better author than AR was simply reprinting AR's stuff?

It's bullshit. All this "AR is a fraud" shit makes me want to puke.

I really appreciate your comments (which have been on target I think), and it's great that you guys are letting me defend my friend.... but it still sucks that some people (*not you) are getting much more steroid info per issue, which doesn't cost the mag anything, and they're still talking smack.

They should write articles good enough to be published, then give them away for free too....

I have not read his Books,, I have no interest in reading them,,, because some of the articles I have read by him are utter garbage ,,,,,

Does writing 3 books make you knowledgable?

I did not say it is a FACT that you will get an abscess ,,,,,,,,, it is a VERY likely possibility ,,,as is Crippling Pain, Ask any Old School powerlifter,,,

Anyways ,,, I am entitled to believe he is a Moron ,,, as do many of others ,,,

Next thing you are going to try tell us that Roidstore is not a SCam ,,,, purposefully selling "supplements" with names the same as Anabolics,, ripping off unsuspecting bodybuilders,,

I know exaclty what dyslexia is ,,, and I don't give a shit what the reason for printing garbage is ,,,, it's still printing garbage

Deca 200 pills haha

I don't claim to be an expert ,,, but I do call people out for spouting BS

It's very likely that you will get an infection from a sterile injection? Really?


As for some people believing he's a moron, that's how the internet is. It's fair enough. Everyone knows more than published authors, and everyone has a 12" cock, makes more money than God, is faster than Ben Johnson, stronger than Chad Aichs, and built like Arnold. And you know more about steroids than Anthony.

The internet is like that.

Oh....and Juiceboy wrote good articles, but AR is a moron. You still haven't explained that, because we know it's impossible for you to say "damn, I was wrong, some of what Anthony writes is good". No....you came into this thinking AR was a fraud and a liar, and even though you praised his work unknowingly, you aren't willing to reconsider.



Anthony doesn't own the Roid Store, by the way. He's got some nutritional products out, but not with that company, he works with Protein Factory and Custom Capsule. Again, he doesn't make a dime on other products.

Do you ever wonder why nobody who writes about steroids professionally (L.Rea, both Roberts, Llewellyn, et al.) posts on the internet regularly anymore?

Hint: Look at this thread, then look in a mirror.

None of those guys post because of B.S. like this.

I said Abscess ,,, do you understand what an abscess is ?? It does not mean infection ,,,

I don't claim to be bigger ,, richer ,, or smarter ,,,than anyone on here ,,

But I do call BS when I see it.!! If you actually read my post I said "SOME" of the articles he writes are crap..

Llewelyn is Very knowledgable,,, I have spoken to him many times online

I have read Rea's books ,,, and I enjoy his theories

Hooker however has been exposed on many of the major boards as being a liar,, and exagerating his credentials

I have been reading / researching steroids for over a decade,, and I'm no expert ,, but I know Moron's when I see them

this is the quote of a Self Loving Moron -- ask AR if he recognises it?

"People in my league are people who have written books on this subject. People in my league are people who design original supplements. You and the internet forum regulars and other similar people are in each other's league, not mine.

You don't get into my league writing posts, you get into it by writing books, and you don't get there by writing about supplements, you get there by designing them. You're not in Henry Ford's league because you can drive a car, you're in it when you can invent one.

You're not in my league, he isn't either, and neither of you are even playing the same sport, much less in my league."

Ok I'm done Talking about AR ,,,, back to important matters ,,,, how to get big

I have 2 things to say:

1. "Major" boards have not "exposed" Tony. The largest sites (EliteFitness.com, Steroid.com, Isteroids.com, MesoRx,com, T-Nation.com, etc...) have all employed him. None of those sites have owners who have said anything bad about him, and in fact when rumors came out about him, they all supported Anthony and vouched for his credentials.

So what Major board are you talking about? Isteroids has over 100k members, steroid.com has 85k, and neither site is against him and both vouch for his credentials..as does Elite, Meso, and T-Nation. BB.com went so far as to interview anthony:

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/weik66.htm

And back his credentials....BB.com has like a million members. Some don't like anthony..but the site itself clearly supports him as do all of those other sites.

So are these "major sites" that attack Anthony (his credentials) or members here and there, mostly on little sites? There was an old post/thread that has been 100% disproven on every major site by anthony (which is why they would still employ him). The little sites probably still point to that post/thread as gospel. But think about it:

Why would every major site (owner) say it's bull and still support him, if that wasn't the case? If he was a fraud, why do all the big names still support him? Why would ME publish him?

You said you like L.Rea, right? Did you know that L.Rea published one of Tony's articles in the last issue of his magazine? Which leads me to my point:

The people who attack him are (no offense) not the industry, but rather people like you who don't really know anything about him or what they're talking about in general. Which I will prove by point #2 here:

2. You came into this thread saying he is a moron and a fraud. Then you showed that you were unfamiliar with his T-nation articles (Steroid Underground), his Meso/Isteroids articles (you thought JuiceBoy wrote them, so clearly you hadn't read them previously), and said you hadn't read any of his books (as you told us).

The steroid profiles on Anabolex, Isteroids, and steroidsprofiles.com don't bear his name (although he wrote them), so you couldn't have been judging him off them....

So if you didn't read his books previously AND hadn't read his articles , how could you have entered this conversation with the opinion that he is a fraud and an idiot?

You clearly showed you hadn't previously read his work/articles (as you didn't know anything about it), and then TOLD us you never read his books. It seems kind of harsh to call an author an idiot and a fraud when you haven't read anything by him, right? And you clearly proved or directly stated that you hadn't read virtually anything he'd ever written!

Honestly, you aren't coming off like you know what you're talking about here.

As for his attitude, yes, it often sucks. I wish he handled himself better (he doesn't post on the 'net any longer on any sites) But re-read what you said about him vs/ what it turned out that you actually knew (or were proven wrong about), and then judge his response(s) against that.

Bro you haven't read anything I said,,,,, I haven't read his books ,,, I read his articles in ME ,,,, which I pointed out the errors in,,, I read another article of his which a member posted here,,,, which I pointed out another error in.. What have I been proven wrong in? tell me ....

I have read many comments by him and about him..

Please find me any top level bodybuilder that uses Test Suspension as a replacement for an Ester Based Test?

Batman wrote:

Bro you haven't read anything I said,,,,, I haven't read his books ,,, I read his articles in ME ,,,,

Maybe you ought not judge an author who has written hundreds of profiles and articles by a mere 2 articles that you found typos in. Did you forget you also read articles by him that you liked too? So 2 typos in 2 articles (and yes, they are typos...because he literally got the information correct dozens of other times, so I think it's clear that they are typos), is enough to call him a moron and fraud?

They are not errors. In those same articles and profiles that the typos appear, the same information is correct every other time, isn't it????

And let's not forget that you said his other articles were good. Until you knew they were by him...then the two typos were your whole argument, and your basis for saying he's a moron.

name 2:

1. You didn't know who wrote the "juiceboy" articles
2. You didn't know the "Underground" article was 2-3 years old

Are you now a fraud and a moron because you made two errors also? And don't say they weren't errors, because they were examples of you making a statement without having your facts straight, or even doing research. Far worse than typos.

You're more than happy to point out typos and call him a moron/fraud, but when you don't even check your facts on his articles, causing you to make uneducated statements, you ought to get the benefit of the doubt, and be given a pass?

Surely you deserve the benefit of the doubt on your two errors, and a guy who has 3 books to his credit does not?


Batman wrote:

I have read many comments by him and about him..

Well, if someone on the internet says it about him, it must be true.

As for comments by him, he's a prick (I'm his friend, I can say that). That makes him neither a fraud nor a moron - nor does 2 typos.

Batman wrote:

Please find me any top level bodybuilder that uses Test Suspension as a replacement for an Ester Based Test?

What is your argument against what Anthony says about test suspension? That it's painful? Anthony put that in the profile. That it's a good replacement for an ester based test used by many top - level bb'ers? Anthony doesn't say that, does he? I can't find it.

Body 11 -bro I always get nervous when people start defending someone else's cause with so much vigour. Im sure AR is use to taking flak- and he will keep on taking it just like anyone with an opinion that is voiced. im sure he can defend himself or wont bother with our mere 200 people board. So why be concerned? Some people think hes a dick some people believe he cures the sick....thats life. Does AR know hes stuff- sure- does he know everything not by a long shot. So relax and find another cause we are quite happy here on our 200 person board- we will live we will learn and as Batman sais we will get big-with or wiyhour AR

Ok,,,, enough of this now ,,,

I Retract my statement of him being a Moron,, In the interest of Peace ,,,, and maybe I meet the guy one day and he's not so bad..

I stand by my opinion that he is not as clued up as he makes out ,,,, but in a way you are right,,, aII have to go on is what I have read,,, because I have never met the guy,, but you... someone who claims to be his friend,,, calls him a prick? hmm I don't call any of my friends pricks

And I also stand by my statement that in the past he has exagerated his credentials..

But I think Body11 is a moron haha,, oh boy here we go

Must say, this was a nice Cock Fight..........
Now, can we atleast agree to respect each others' opinions?
And get on with the Board???????

Everybody needs a little Spice occasionally

I certainly don't want to restart this but Batman is more correct than he thinks he is!
Just because someone writes a book or 2 does not prove anything(did'nt Hitler write a book? and he's the f#%K-up of the century)I don't know of a university that offers a degree
in correct anabolic steroid management in sports.What I am trying to say is we rely on people who are A. credible B.learned(med or chem) and C.have had many years experience themselves and with other athletes(AR is none of these) for gaining information and advice for ourselves(most of it crucial to our health!)
We cant have self proclaimed arrogant 'gurus' giving the complete wrong advice...EVER!(like 40.0 ug of clen instead of 0.04 ug
could cause some massive problems)

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Your not in his league , in fact your not even playing the same sport :woohoo: BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Just kidding man!

Batman your a cool guy dont stress the small things