ME winny oral and injectable issue

Hi All,
Need some help here on a past issue of Muscle Evolution that contained an article by juiceboy on the benefits of taking winny ijectable and oral in the same course. I know Doc mentioned this in a previous thread adn I called ME and spoke to a guy called Dirk, unfortunately they either need who was on the cover or the issue number and I have neither. Pls can someone who has read this issue assist here as I would like to order the back copy and have a look at the article.

Volume 4, issue nr 5, Sept/Oct 2006, see page 71...
And I know JuiceBoy personally very well...........
A very knowledgeable Dude..

SWEET, thanks doc. Why don't you invite juiceboy to join this forum?

Yeah "juiceboy" at least wrote decent stuff ,,so did Mark ,,,,,

I can't believe Andrew is letting Anthony Roberts write for ME now,, Anthony Roberts is such a fraud,, he just regurgitates crap he reads on the internet and doesn't even check it ,,, did you read the bull he wrote about test suspension ,,,? he talks about suspension for the first paragraph and then just copy pastes stuff about testosterone

Saying Suspension is the most potent because it has the highest MG of actuall testosterone ,, duh ... the other tests have esters attached for a REASON,, Test Suspension is OLD technology

What a load of rubbish, IMO Test Suspension is Only usefull for Powerlifters ,, and MAYBE pre-contest for bodybuilders ,, but the risk of infection ,, pain etc way outweigh the benifits

He doesn't even know the difference between exogenous and endogenous testorone,,, talks about supplementing with endogenous testosterone ,, what an Idiot ,,,,, Andrew should just let the local boys who actually know what they are talking about write

Sorry for hi-jacking this thread but I had to rant ...

Bring Back Juiceboy ,,, and Mark Stent,,, and Ian Roothman ,,, get rid of that Anthony Roberts Fraud

My Brother-in-Law, Ian Roothman, is still there....
Mark is still there....
Hmmn, and I'm still here....
Let's just say for now, JuiceBoy got a bit of heat.... but, hopefully will be back soon with a vengeance. Will pull his arm a bit...

By the way, I'm working on an article on PCT - maybe it will be good enough to get run on ME.

Sound great Doc. We all have been waiting for that article

Yeah but mark doesn't write steroid articles for ME any more,,

that fraud Anthony Roberts does,, let me not get started on Anthony Connors (aka Roberts) ,, anyways I look forward to seeing your PCT article

All-

I'm a staff member over on steroid.com where Anthony is currently employed
as our senior editor. I found this thread and felt that the record ought
to be set straight on several points.

Firstly, Anthony is dyslexic (he has mentioned this several times on
steroid.com in posts), and unfortunately this involves the switching of
words on occasion. The Endogenous/Exogenous mistake pointed out on these
forums and the T3 -> T4 mistake are valid points, but they're (I think)
isolated incidents in his work. He uses both of those terms correctly in
the rest of his work, as far as I've seen (so we can chalk it up to being
a typo, more or less - and it's of the type that an editor probably
wouldn't catch).

Secondly, he began his career writing about steroids when he was a
teacher, so he used "Robert" as his last name ("Roberts") instead of
Connors, because he'd likely have lost his teaching job. Now that writing
about steroids is his living he kept Roberts as his pen name - it's how
people know him any way.

Is "Juice Boy" doing anything different than AR did? Or is Juice Boy his
real name? Kind of unfair I think, to trash AR for that and not JuiceBoy.

Speaking of which....it has been said here that JuiceBoy knows his stuff
and Anthony does not. If you read JuiceBoy's article called "Deca,
Winstrol, and your Joints" you will see that it wasn't actually written by
JuiceBoy. That article (google it if you don't believe me) was written
many months prior to it appearing in ME, and it wasn't written by
JuiceBoy, but rather AR.

JuiceBoy must have stole the article off the internet, and must have
submitted it under his own name. If you don't believe me, check the date
that AR's article appears vs/ the date JuiceBoy's article appeared. You'll
find that AR's article came first, and that JuiceBoy's article is 100%
verbatim, and completely stolen from Anthony. If someone has the issue, it
would be great if they could compare the article on the internet (AR's)
and the one in that issue and report back here...

You said Juiceboy knows his stuff and that AR is a fraud, but by checking
what JuiceBoy wrote and comparing it to the AR article of the same name
(and prior publication date) I think you will see the truth of what I've
said. I've seen some of JuiceBoy's other work and let's just say that it
bears more than just a coincidental resemblance to AR's.

Finally, because he is pretty successful at what he does, A-Rob is
probably a target for a lot of animosity. I think maybe you guys could
give him a fair shot instead of believing everything you read about him on
the internet.

Thank you for allowing me to clear the air on these issues, as a staff
member of steroid.com

Wow, got some heat there, but nice and informative and thanks

Well if true then its clear why Juiceboy is not being published anymore. But I dont have facts so i dont speculate.

Batman wrote:

Yeah but mark doesn't write steroid articles for ME any more,,

that fraud Anthony Roberts does,, let me not get started on Anthony Connors (aka Roberts) ,, anyways I look forward to seeing your PCT article

Please, please come back and respond to that post from the moderator at steroid.com

This is the first thread I looked at when I signed up and if this is any example of the site...I'm glad I signed up.

I followed his suggestion myself and in light of what I found this thread could turn out to be one of the funniest I've seen in a long time...can't wait to see people falling all over themselves trying to back track and joking to death on their own words.

he he- ya this is gonna be good

Doc!! The question really is should he have used the Harvard referancing method or not!! lol

And all I want was the issue number :laugh:

Netro wrote:

And all I want was the issue number :laugh:

I have not seen winny vs oral article Juice boy wrote , but take a look at Anthony Roberts winny oral vs injected article...

www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-r...ersus-injectable.htm

Also check this out...Anthony Roberts wrote this article...( see the link below).
www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-r...-and-your-joints.htm

The original publication date is Sept. 9th 2005,
republished by MesoRx December 12, 2005! JuiceBoy's article was published
by ME over a year later it appears!

"Firstly, Anthony is dyslexic (he has mentioned this several times on
steroid.com in posts), and unfortunately this involves the switching of
words on occasion. The Endogenous/Exogenous mistake pointed out on these
forums and the T3 -> T4 mistake are valid points, but they're (I think)
isolated incidents in his work. He uses both of those terms correctly in
the rest of his work, as far as I've seen (so we can chalk it up to being
a typo, more or less - and it's of the type that an editor probably
wouldn't catch)."

yeah ,,, hmm real isolated incidents,, Sorry bro,, you're never going to convince me,,

I actually get so amped about this that I wanna get violent ,,, giving shit advice in magazines in this game is dangerous ,,,, I can just imagine all these young bodybuilders going out and buying Test Suspension because of AR's bullshit article on Test Suspension,, and walking around with abscess's and shit..

There is no Room for typos when it comes to chemical sustances people put in your bodies.

I'm not defending juice boy,, I have no idea who he is ,,,,, but I am Convinced AR is an idiot.

In his article "The New Steroid Underground" in the jan 2008 issue of ME he talks about "Operation Gear Grinder" sheez that is such old news ,,, Mexiciowas dead an buried long ago,,, Operation Raw Deal is already old news,, and the China pipeline has shrunk dramatically..

NEW oral EQ ,,, man that is old news,,,, guess what,,, they have been out for years,,, guess what ,, they are uselles,,, Boldenone no-Ester == VERY old news ,,,YEARS old,,, guess what ,,, useless,, TOO painfull

Guys, if I may enter as the Gentleman I am....
When I studied Medicine at Varsity, it took me 6 years of reading many thousands of pages of information - information someone else before me actually discovered, consolidated it into readable articles so that I can memorize it and later, when needed, regurgitate the facts. Yeah, you read it - REGURGITATE FACTS. Isn't that what we all do?? We read hundreds of pages of information, take from it the applicable stuff and article it!

AR has done a lot of reading up in his life on the subject of chemical enhancement. When he writes an article, he regurgitates to us those applicable facts, in order for us NOT to have to read the thousands of papers he has had to!
Jeez Guys - give the Dude a break!
And, if you don't think his writings is worth the valuable time to read, then don't waste your time...
Another thing to remember - he was a teacher, not a Nobel Prize Winner Biochemist. The stuff he writes about, he did not obtain through clinical studies he did himself as a biochemist or Medical Doctor - his articles are metanalysis of subjects done by knowledgeable people in the field of Medicine.
We need more people like him. Yeah, sometimes his comments and attitudes can piss people off, but you must see me get really aggitated when I'm on some Trenbolin and you start calling me names and start scratching where it doesn't itch....

Batman- regarding your claims that the article "New Steroid Underground" is old news


Actually, the original publication date of "The New Steroid Underground":

The New Steroid Underground
by Anthony Roberts | Thu, Sep 08, 2005

Published on www.t-nation.com

2 and a half to 3 years ago (when it was written) it was very current.

Check the original publication date, and it wasn't just current, it was ahead of it's time.

yeah well then maybe my beef is with Andrew for publishing an old article

haha ,, ok maybe I get to amped on this ,,,,

he has done lot's of research,,,, BUT ,,, You need to at least get the basics right,,

You Are right doc,, if I don't like his writings i should not bother,,,, but when I got the first Issue of ME that he wrote for I read it all and I got so mad I was almost throwing shit around my house.....

The problem is Kids read that magazine,, and take what he writes as Gospel

I guess that tren I'm on is REAL :laugh:

Batman wrote:

,,,,, but I am Convinced AR is an idiot.

You said Juiceboy wrote decent stuff, and said they should bring him back - but his articles were actually articles by Anthony Roberts. And then you say you are convinced AR is an idiot.

If you like JuiceBoy's articles (which are actually Anthony's) then don't you like Anthony too? Or do you not like the name "Anthony Roberts" for whatever other reason you have (even though you don't know him, and I do)?

You can't say JB's articles are good, and to bring him back, then say that Anthony's aren't....they're all written by Anthony.

This doesn't make sense to me.

Batman wrote:

,,,,, but I am Convinced AR is an idiot.

You said Juiceboy wrote decent stuff, and said they should bring him back - but his articles were actually articles by Anthony Roberts. And then you say you are convinced AR is an idiot.

If you like JuiceBoy's articles (which are actually Anthony's) then don't you like Anthony too? Or do you not like the name "Anthony Roberts" for whatever other reason you have (even though you don't know him, and I do)?

You can't say JB's articles are good, and to bring him back, then say that Anthony's aren't....they're all written by Anthony.

This doesn't make sense to me.

Batman wrote:

yeah well then maybe my beef is with Andrew for publishing an old article

haha ,, ok maybe I get to amped on this ,,,,

he has done lot's of research,,,, BUT ,,, You need to at least get the basics right,,

You Are right doc,, if I don't like his writings i should not bother,,,, but when I got the first Issue of ME that he wrote for I read it all and I got so mad I was almost throwing shit around my house.....

The problem is Kids read that magazine,, and take what he writes as Gospel

Yes, it sucks that he's dyslexic, and every so often, he switches words. He's been through a decent amount of editors (I think 3 maybe?), and the only one who really worked out for him is too busy doing other things for steroid.com right now.

And maybe your beef is with Andrew (?) not anthony..but A-Rob is pretty current...during Operation Raw Deal, he had more info before anyone else that the NY Times had to go to him for info:

www.nytimes.com/2007/09/29/sports/baseba...a=y&pagewanted=print

As did most people who were trying to be safe.