carb cycling VS keto

I combine them now and have smaller cheats throughout the afternoon and not over 3hours. I find if i carb up in 3hours my sugar drops pretty badly at night and i dont sleep well

you are basically doing a keto diet right now with a certain amount of carb in it,personally if i was you,i would change it up a bit,i would drop the carb completely post work out and for breakfast,i wouldn't have any carbs in the diet if you are wanting to do a proper keto diet! the only time u have carbs in a keto diet is if you are doing high intensity cardio,i am finding with my clients that i start the diets off with 0 cardio just diet,when results start to fail i add in 20g-30g of carbs before a 20min cardio session to fuel the cardio session but with out kicking you out of ketosis as those carbs will fuel the cardio session and will keep you in ketosis. i find that the results are alot better doing this than the long ass below 120bpm cardio... as for fat burners the best fat burner for keto diets is yohimbine(sculpt or reverzine) in combination with 2 weeks of clen and 2 weeks eca u will drop massive amounts of fat. one thing u will not do is drop muscle on keto unless your calories are way to low.

DJ......
Good to have you back!!!!
I see you havent mentioned anything about Avo while on Keto...
Do YOU think its okay???
I have asked Sting, as yu can see, i just want a second opinion.

DJ will be the best to answer however I know his Keto diets are very strict and I feel that a whole avo is too much for 1 day as it has to much carbs in it, maybe small slices for taste with your chicken or something will be ok.

Also remember the smooth skin has allot less carbs than the rough ones.

00pump wrote: Also remember the smooth skin has allot less carbs than the rough ones.

I learnt something new today....

DJ..... Avo on Keto?? Good or not?
How many grams allowed per day?

no avo.

Could you explain why no Avo please???
What is in Avo that is bad? As only 1g of the 10g's of carbs is sugars.

DJ what about peanut butter?i use blue label yum yum(sugar and salt free)

It might still have hydrogenated oils (trans fats) Check the ingredients.
The best would be to have an all natural peanut butter eg 'organic natural peanut butter' form woolies. It is ok to have, but it does contain a fair amount of carbs so keep portions limited.

just a matter of interest. . .i have done keto on my past three shows and the results are pretty good. i did a slightly different keto whereby i only take in 6.5grams of carbs per day. . .now if you have to think a can of tuna may contain up to 1.8 grams and a piece of chewing gum up to 1.2 grams if not more of carbs. . .so needless to say its a "hardcore" keto with buggar all carbs. but when you carb up afterwards the muscle bellies fill out quite nicely.

@Trensetta (nice nick): How long do you diet down for before the show?

forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?7904-Ox-s-Stable/page1

I have followed this thread, seen a lot of stuff adressed in the other link I posted. It is very good reading if you have time, I am at page 108, but it just gets better. There is a lot of focus on the keto diet in there, and many samples of what to eat. A real worthwhile read I would say.

Question, what is nutty peanut butter? Just our original peanut butter yellow lid?

Yeah, but the crunchy one... not the smooth one.

sorry took so long to reply. usually do this for 5 days on two day semi keto then 4 days on fifth day would be carb up day for com next day. drop water last two days. . . .battling with diuretics though lately body seems to have adapted to them too much. . .need to do something else. wanna try carb cycling for the comp coming up in april

bro dont play with diuretics when u are just doing a normal carb up during your dieting phase.... can do a lot of damage to your system if u take them for no purpose or just to drop post carb up water....

Hey DJ, shot for the heads up. . .no i used the diuretics before the carb up. i am considering going the more healthier route like sauna, dandelion and buchu, and red wine route to drop last bit of water. the diuretics make me worry i have used them in the three shows i have done and each time the results just got worse.any other recommendations would be really welcome.

i dont get why u are trying to drop water on a weekly basis unless u are leading up to a show....u should let the water come off naturally when u are just dieting...less strain on the body

i only used it just before comp (as recommended by a relatively well known trainer who i was with at the time) and as i say the affects reduced at each comp. i am looking for an alternative just to get that last bit of water out. im currently on 10% bf and 90kg's and i am competing in april. just want to get the skin nice and thin like my first show or better. looking for a much healthier alternative just to dry up a little more. i know my training intensity and diet should help. any suggestions?

water loading and sodium loading are needed before hand, usually works like this 7 days out load sodium and water, 6 days out load sodium and water 5 days out load sodium and later 4 days out half sodium and load water, 3 days out cut sodium cut water,2 days out no sodium half water,1 day no sodium and cut water at 6:00pm.

thanks DJ. oh another thing. . .if i am increasing sodium would it be recommended when i start dropping sodium to increase potassium supplementation?

no need,you can if u like but i havent had anyone use potassium whilst dropping sodium,each to their own though.