carb cycling VS keto

hi guys
just want some advise on my diet(carb cycling)
breakfast:
2low gi toast,35g carbs
8egg whites 2yolks, 32g protein
peanut butter, 16g fat

snack:
whey shake, 45g protein
peanut butter, 16g fat

lunch:
100g chicken fillet, 24g protein
peanut butter, 16g fat
veggies

prewourkout meal:(2hours before training)
100g chicken fillet, 24g protein
40g brown rice, 30g carbs

15min before training:
whey shake, 24g protein

postworkout:
whey shake, 40g protein
vitargo, 60g carbs

dinner:
lean mince,staek,chicken, 30g protein
peanut butter, 16g fat
veggies

before bed:
casein, 35g protein
peanut butter, 16g fat


ok so every 4 days i just double up my carbs
should i just keep with this diet or should i give the keto a go? cos everybody is raving about it at the moment,never been a fan of keto as i dont want to loose al my hard work through the year. im not on aas on the moment and want to stay clean for the rest of this year

age:23
1.83m
95kg
10% bodyfat (want atleast 8% december)

Your diet looks good, maybe have 40g carbs from the vitargo and oats instead of toast in the morning.

If you do keto, it doesn't mean all your hard work will go to waste, you won't lose muscle. Are you happy on the diet you are on now? How long have you been doing this and are you getting results? If you're happy and getting results then stick to it

im getting results but its pretty slow. thats why im considering the keto cos its never quick enough:laugh:
but was wondering if its only me that thinks this keto is just to good to be true?? i can see that it will work wonders if your on gear but i really want to stay clean.
of is ek heeltemal van die pad af?
oh and should i really drop my carbs after training?thats like the most important meal of the day
thanx for the help

well...there is only one way to find out...
i am basically your stats,so follow up on your results would be nice,to see what u did and what happened

It's not too good to be true, cut out carbs from a diet and your body will find an alternative energy source to survive on. Keto works better for some people than others but it works. When you say you are getting results but they are slow, how slow are they?

Carbs post training, Im only saying reduce them not take them out.

@sting so can you have a little bit of simple carbs post training to replace glycogen when your on keto as a believe if your body does not get carbs post workout to replace glycogen it converts protein to do this which is not good as you want the protein for muscel repair

some guys will have carbs post training as they can consume higher carbs per day and still remain in ketosis. Say you get knocked out at more than 20g C per day then I wouldn't have carbs post training. Some can handle 50g and some even higher.

If your fats are high enough then the chances of converting protein to glucose is minimal. When there is no energy source or it's low, in the case of keto it's fat and not carbs, then there will be a conversion of protein to glucose. So keep macros to taget and training to low intensity (low reps and heavy) and you won't need to worry

So, sting, you dont need Carbs after your workout when on Keto?
I start my Keto on Saturday for 5 weeks.....

Depends how quickly you get back into ketosis but no you don't need them post workout, keep fats high enough and you'll be good. If you are carbing up every week then also no need to have carbs post training It's also about finding out your carb tolerance so do normal keto for a few weeks and then start playing around with carbs post workout (cyclic keto diet)and see how your body responds

Alright... thanks.
I will be carbing up once every 2 weeks...
Need to drop BF as quick as possible in the 5 weeks for a cruise.
Will probably add clen in to speed things up.
Will also be on Mast Prop and Test prop for the next few weeks... Just coming off Deca and Test E... my last week of 10 weeks.

Ah nice...going on a cruise lucky you!!!

Yeah, will be my first time "out" of South Africa... not that i will actually be going overseas Look forward to it!

Sting... Do you suggest i add the clen in???
Do you think the Mast Prop and Test Prop are the right way to go while on Keto and to drop the BF??

Sorry if i am highjacking a thread here.

Hmmm don't see a problem with adding in clen. AAS will be fine to stack with the clen and keto but as far as specific compounds go (mast and test prop) I don't know what guys prefer to cycle on with keto. DJ would be able to answer that but as everyone now knows he's away.

Also any reason why you choose to only carb up every 2 weeks, Im curious if you find this works better than carbing up once a week?

I am just following on from my Last Keto which was every 14 days...

I am pretty carb sensitive...

What is the norm??

First carb up two weeks from the start of keto and thereafter once a week. I thought maybe you found it better every two weeks vs weekly. usually i can feel i need a carb up once a week whether it's keto, ckd or carb cycling. So do you manage fine going without a carb up for 2weeks or do you find you slack a little with training every 2nd week? Im just curious. I want to start keto tomorrow

Yeah, not looking forward to Keto... Mainly cause of the foods! Same Shit Different Day!
Yeah, i do slack slightly... But Muscle Marinade is for that when on Keto.... Keeps it intense....
I would rather do a carb cycling diet, but dont know how to or have any info on that.

I am also slightly worried, as when i go on the cruise, i wont be able to stick to Keto with that food, so, its going to be 4 days of Carbing up

So the cruise is only 4 days well then don't worry, just eat what you want while on the cruise and enjoy yourself.

To carb cycle (what I learnt from DJ) is you have your usual 3 carb meals a day, breakfast, pre- and post-training, carbs differ depending whether it's a training or non training day (for obvious reasons), mid week you have a slightly higher carb day and the end of the week you carb up like on keto.

That's the basics pretty much but you know who to contact if you want a plan all worked out for you.

I think do keto, eat your self silly but in moderation on the cruise and then go back into keto or carb cycle after the cruise if you want to see how it works for you. You said somewhere that you are pretty carb sensitive though so I think a CKD will work better for you as opposed to carb cycling

Mr_SA wrote: Yeah, not looking forward to Keto... Mainly cause of the foods! Same Shit Different Day!
Yeah, i do slack slightly... But Muscle Marinade is for that when on Keto.... Keeps it intense....
I would rather do a carb cycling diet, but dont know how to or have any info on that.

I am also slightly worried, as when i go on the cruise, i wont be able to stick to Keto with that food, so, its going to be 4 days of Carbing up

To be honest; i find a ketogenic diet offers so much more variety than most other diets as its a bit easier to structure two macronutrients as opposed to three. As long as your fats and protein is sorted for the meal, and u balancing your fat intake by including lots of EFA's, i think you could get quite imaginative with your daily meals plans.

@Sting... Thanks for the response... think this is the most we have every interacted... lol

Thanks for the rough idea on Carb Cycling... i thought it was something like that.
I agree that Keto is the better option for me from fat loss!

Like i said, not looking forward to the shitty food.... but will do it for the goal in mind.

lol @ the most we've ever interacted. Its kak, started this morning (last night) and I can feel my blood sugar is low today (shakes) but gonna just push through these next few days.

The food aint too bad but you get sick of it quickly, first week is fun and then it's :sick:

Can you post up your current Keto diet...
Dont worry about quantities.... Just what you are having.

Doing it a bit differently to the last time, leaving out whey as much as possible and keeping in as many solid meals as I can. I changed up the ratio of P:F too, making fats higher, I think it might work better.

Leaving out nuts too, I think they kick me out of ketosis.

Will depend what I feel like eating but breakfast is an omelette with meat and peppers/mushrooms, the rest of the meals are salad/free green veggies and chicken/beef with avo/mac oil/olive oil. I'll add in mince next week though.

Decaffe coffee with sweetener and a little cream (carbs are around 3g per 100ml, a lot less than milk) during the day.

Mom bought me this chicken roast thing filled with pesto and feta from woolies, expensive but it's been in my freezer for a while. I made it and it's really good (zero carbs). Woolworths have a lot of kebabs etc and the marinades are super low in carbs (some almost zero). It's not exactly cheap but it's a nice treat every now and then on keto so check it out if you're interested

Thanks... Will definitely check out the woolies stuff....

How much Avo do you think you can have a day, as i am sure it has carbs?
And Cream cheese (No Fat) has also almost no carbs (3g per 100g)

Think i might leave nuts out too (Almonds), and only have peanut butter.

I see there is new stuff on the market called "Happy Juice", with no carbs... just trying to find details.

You have too much time on your hands, if you are able to prepare those meals. lol

Yeah I saw the happy juice thing on FB...I didnt look properly yet.

Avo is 9C per 100g but only 1g of carbs is from sugar, the other 8C are from fiber so it's all good.

Lol, I wish I had time on my hands, usually cook and do a million things at once.

Look at dairy products that are full cream, the carbs in full cream products are much less than in low fat/fat free products usually but then again you want to limit fats to the unsaturated ones so it depends on the quantities you have

Okay... we obviously have a mutual friend on FB.

I didnt know AVO was that low... Thats GREAT NEWS!!!

I have been living on AVO and Chicken for lunch for like 12 weeks now...
Chicken with Avo and Cream cheese is really nice stuff!!

Why are you on Keto at the moment Sting???