Keto confusion

Morning guys and girls
I have been on the keto diet for around 6 weeks now, dropped body fat really nicely and retaining 99% of my muscle.
but this weekend I eventually bought the ketostix from dis chem and up and till 2day it seems like I'm not actually going into ketosis?
Please can some1 shed some light on this?
my meals are as close to perfect as they will ever get, taking in an estimated 16g carbs per day, 260g of protein and 140-150g of fat.
I have been weighing my food every time so I don't think the problem lies there.
I'm also using clen and ultra cuts from SPS as well as having around 2 or so cans of coke zero a day, so I was thinking that maybe it's all the stimulants that are raising my insulin levels and keeping me from using the ketones?

u and i are in the same boat Jayman, what u gotta try and do is test first thing in the morning when your pee is concentrated,i can do this and i will still not test possotive cos i have my ratios so right that i am burning up the ketones i am producing,u can up your fats and it will show possitive results but alas it will halt the fat burning...

been testing very first thing in the morning and still nothing lol
I mean I'm not too worried coz I'm def loosing alot of fat, just wondering if maybe the stimulants were actually slowing down my progress?
thanx though Dj, I think I'll stick to what I'm doing

This happens to some people. You may be using up all the ketones produced during your workouts and so excess ketones are not spilling over into your urine. I find if I test for ketones in the mornings, the stix show traces but if I test in the afternoon they are purple. Its recommended to test in the afternoons but this is controversial. The mornings may not indicate ketones because believe it or not you use up a lot of ketones while you are sleeping. The concentration of your urine will also affect the results as concentrated urine will contain conc. ketones so this is dependent on how much water you drink. The stimulants may also affect the result, Im not a believer of using stimulants well on keto as they trigger adrenaline which is a major trigger of glucose release hence the fight or flight response. Stimulants are tricky during ketosis because there will be more conversion of protein to glucose during the adrnalin release and if you aren't eating enough protein then you run the risk of going catabolic. Since you are losing fat (and initially water) then dont worry what the stix are telling you, they are more important for diabetics.

Beesting wrote:

This happens to some people. You may be using up all the ketones produced during your workouts and so excess ketones are not spilling over into your urine. I find if I test for ketones in the mornings, the stix show traces but if I test in the afternoon they are purple. Its recommended to test in the afternoons but this is controversial. The mornings may not indicate ketones because believe it or not you use up a lot of ketones while you are sleeping. The concentration of your urine will also affect the results as concentrated urine will contain conc. ketones so this is dependent on how much water you drink. The stimulants may also affect the result, Im not a believer of using stimulants well on keto as they trigger adrenaline which is a major trigger of glucose release hence the fight or flight response. Stimulants are tricky during ketosis because there will be more conversion of protein to glucose during the adrnalin release and if you aren't eating enough protein then you run the risk of going catabolic. Since you are losing fat (and initially water) then dont worry what the stix are telling you, they are more important for diabetics.

more karma for the lady...

Thanx dj, but its not reflecting yet

Thanx for the help guys
Will try again this evening when I get home.
but just to clear up, even if the test show up negative again, should I make adjustments to my diet? maybe drop the fat burners?
or rather just keep going as is till I stop losing fat?

if it aint broken why fix it?

Beesting wrote:

Thanx dj, but its not reflecting yet

should be now...

true,
just wondering if I could make it better

injectable clen and yohimbine site inject before cardio and u will be good to go...

haha was expecting something like that
might as well add in some gh too then :silly:

no need unless u got the dollars but the clen and yohimbine dont have a direct stimulant effect such as caffeine or ephadrine and also u can use them synergisticly, the yohimbine blocks alpha cells making the body utalise fat as energy and the clen is a beta 2 cell antagonist so it will help free up fat from the cells therefore your body will end up burning more fat... add t3 to that mix and its like throwing gasoline into an inferno...

Jayman wrote:

Thanx for the help guys
Will try again this evening when I get home.
but just to clear up, even if the test show up negative again, should I make adjustments to my diet? maybe drop the fat burners?
or rather just keep going as is till I stop losing fat?

Dont play around with the diet, if you want to experiment then experiment at the end but its working for you so stick to it. I know someone who's stix literally bleach white, and the only thing I found on the net for them bleaching is when a women goes on cycle and he is definately not a women. The only thing I can think of which would bleach them is the multi vit or the Vitamin C which is somehow reacting the with stix but I cant find anything supporting this theory. So if the stix aren't changing dont get hung up on them, ur losing fat and the scale and measuring tape, and the fact that your pants are feeling looser are the only evidence you need, a stick changing purple isn't going to change anything, they're a money making thing unless you are diabetic. People who stix indicate they are in deep ketosis, dark purple, may also not lose weight even though they are clearly in ketosis so you see they aren't important, they are just visual motivation to stick to the diet.

Actually been thinking of adding reverzine to the mix :hmm
but thanx for all the help DJ and Beesting really appreciate it.
Will stick to the diet, almost finished with the clen anyway so it's just gonna be diet and hard work for the next few weeks
have some karma for the valued help and info

djeasye wrote:

injectable clen and yohimbine site inject before cardio and u will be good to go...

Helios-I've heard it actually does reduce site fat. Have you tried it?

Beesting wrote:

This happens to some people. You may be using up all the ketones produced during your workouts and so excess ketones are not spilling over into your urine. I find if I test for ketones in the mornings, the stix show traces but if I test in the afternoon they are purple. Its recommended to test in the afternoons but this is controversial. The mornings may not indicate ketones because believe it or not you use up a lot of ketones while you are sleeping. The concentration of your urine will also affect the results as concentrated urine will contain conc. ketones so this is dependent on how much water you drink. The stimulants may also affect the result, Im not a believer of using stimulants well on keto as they trigger adrenaline which is a major trigger of glucose release hence the fight or flight response. Stimulants are tricky during ketosis because there will be more conversion of protein to glucose during the adrnalin release and if you aren't eating enough protein then you run the risk of going catabolic. Since you are losing fat (and initially water) then dont worry what the stix are telling you, they are more important for diabetics.

I've also read about the quantity of water affecting the ketones in the urine.

Nice post-also karma

Yohimbe wrote:

djeasye wrote:

injectable clen and yohimbine site inject before cardio and u will be good to go...

Helios-I've heard it actually does reduce site fat. Have you tried it?

getting my 50ml bottle of clen inject and my 20ml bottle of reverzine tomorrow hopefully will start the reverzine a week before the clen as i am on a 2 week break from the clen and i am currently using wasp...but so far so good with the yohimbine on keto...feel alot hotter than i did when i tried it on a carb based diet...i am just trying to get away from the caffeine hence the reason i am gonna throw it in...

any reason you moving to injectable?

00pump wrote:

any reason you moving to injectable?

to try the site specific route..

I'll be very interested to hear if it actually does site reduce. What sites are you targeting?
Some guys on another board say it works for fat accumulation around the pecs-not actual gyno-but fat accumulation on lower and lower/side pecs.
That and PGCL.

Yohimbe wrote:

I'll be very interested to hear if it actually does site reduce. What sites are you targeting?
Some guys on another board say it works for fat accumulation around the pecs-not actual gyno-but fat accumulation on lower and lower/side pecs.
That and PGCL.

well how about this,i will only use it on one half on my body for 2 weeks,and see how it goes,it will be love handle (0.5ml) and and between my pec and my lats where the seratus(0.5ml) is i have bad love handles at the moment and i the area between the pec and the lats(over the rib cage) is not so fatty but i will be able to tell if it get leaner vs the otherside of my body...

Been using the Muscle science Ripped hardcore fat burn, good product just think from what u have said regarding stimulants might not be the right product for this type of diet. Is there any fat burn that you con recommend that can be found at dischem for example that you think will actually compliment the diet, thanks.

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

I'll be very interested to hear if it actually does site reduce. What sites are you targeting?
Some guys on another board say it works for fat accumulation around the pecs-not actual gyno-but fat accumulation on lower and lower/side pecs.
That and PGCL.

well how about this,i will only use it on one half on my body for 2 weeks,and see how it goes,it will be love handle (0.5ml) and and between my pec and my lats where the seratus(0.5ml) is i have bad love handles at the moment and i the area between the pec and the lats(over the rib cage) is not so fatty but i will be able to tell if it get leaner vs the otherside of my body...

Sounds like a plan.

Sorry for jacking your thread Jayman.

the evox xena something or other,i have actually just order 4 bottles of lipolyse and somlyse from species nutrition at a cost of 2100 including postage,usnic acid base so i am a bit wary but i am gonna try it out