LCHF NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS WHILE CUTTING

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07 Sep 2015 20:25 #189951 by Cyclo
I thought Furk answered your question of whether to Keto on cycle.

The way I understand it - cutting yes, bulking - no (for obvious reasons)

But yeah, pre & post workouts tend to have high carbs.

Pre-workout just have a quadruple espresso.

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07 Sep 2015 20:39 #189953 by Travelller101
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Hi yes he did

Is Bcaa fine pre workout then and a nice strong coffee ? And afterwards just a meal?

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07 Sep 2015 20:46 #189955 by Furk

Cyclo wrote: Isn't a LCHF a "milder" form of keto? As I understand LCHF you're limited 50g to max 100g carbs a day.

If you're trying to cut won't keto be the right way?


LCHF by definition is low carbohydrates, high fat. So just just keep carbs low and complex enough for fat to be used as fuel.

Keto tries to establish ketones and fat as energy sources. Carbohydrates have to be eliminated - except for traces sources you really can't separate. Like there are carbs in nuts (especially peanuts and cashews) thats why you have to use them sparingly on keto.

Another thing on the carbs, you can screw up your ketosis/ fat adaption by having too many of your allotted carbs at the same time. So 40g of table sugar won't have the same effect as 40g in cruciferous vegetables spread out evenly throughout the day.

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07 Sep 2015 21:15 #189959 by Travelller101
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Thanks think today was my trial and error have a good idea what to do now thanks guys

Will update progress report now and then

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07 Sep 2015 22:20 #189967 by Furk
Just read labels and be conscious. You'll be fine bud.

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07 Sep 2015 23:11 #189968 by Travelller101
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Thank Furk

Really enjoying this diet think cycle will assist energy wise

Breakfast was awesome cant believe a person can lose weight on this diet

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08 Sep 2015 16:31 - 08 Sep 2015 16:32 #190016 by Furk

Furk wrote: But I get my whey pure, unflavoured isolate real cheap.


I realised I sound like a cock here. I'm not saying I'm so rad cause I get good whey at good prices. I'm saying whey is totally viable, just don't split hairs if you can't get quality at a decent price.

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08 Sep 2015 17:34 #190025 by Travelller101
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You right nothing wrong with whey at good quality and price looking at cipla whey as they a pharmaceutical company

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08 Sep 2015 18:05 #190030 by Travelller101
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Macros for the day

Fat 69%
Protein 29%
Carbs 4%

And almost achieving my daily cal intake of 2450 cal as per fitness pal 2416 cal was mine

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09 Sep 2015 13:13 #190086 by Travelller101
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Hi guys can you read this and tell me if this is the correct way with the keto diet to carb load as per below?

Forgive me for the reading but just need clarity



The Weekend Carb Load

Since muscle glycogen is the main source of energy for anaerobic exercise such as weight training, we cannot simply deplete all stores while working out and not fill them back up. If that does happen, be rest-assured that the body WILL use protein for fuel then. But this won’t happen on the CKD.

Your one and a half days of "freedom" allow you to do two things: First, reward your carb cravings from the previous days, allowing you to enjoy pleasures like pizza, pasta, breads, etc. Second, eating these things are physiologically rewarding as insulin levels run high, storing amino acids and carbs, as glycogen, into the depleted muscle allowing you to be able to workout again the following week.

Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday. Now the next important issue to address is how many carbs. Some lucky individuals find that they eat whatever they want for the 24-30 hour time interval and receive perfect glycogen compensation, while others rely on a better statistical number.

What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg.

100 Grams of easily digested liquid carbs along with around half as many grams of carbs in protein (here 50) as a whey shake or something of that nature should be taken right after the last workout (which I will address in the workout section of the article) when insulin sensitivity will be at its greatest.

A few hours later this individual will start to spread the remaining 630 grams of carbs, along with the important number of 160 grams of protein (remember, keep this constant) during the remainder of the compensation period.

So what about dietary fat? I know you’re reminding yourself, "Didn’t this guy mention pizza?" Yes, I did. And here’s why. During the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and get this: fat for energy. Still?

Just like the previous five and a half days. Makes sense. When all the carbohydrates are being used for more important functions (muscle), what else is there to be used? However, you can’t just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake below your body weight in kilograms. Again, here our example will keep is fat below 73 during the carb-fest.

By anecdotal reports, this should keep fat regain minimal to nil. Keeping fat intake extremely low has even caused some extra fat burning during the carb up!

As stated before, some dietary fat should be eaten to slow digestion and keep sugar levels stable. Whether it be saturated, unsaturated, or essential fats, is the dieter’s decision. All have nine calories per gram. (Note: there is a claim that essential fatty acids such as flax seed oil increase insulin sensitivity within the muscle cells, in turn, increasing glycogen intake.)

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So here’s how it breaks down during the week: Sunday through Friday afternoon , you will follow the low carb diet outlined above. Eat fat and protein all day everyday except on workout days because after workouts, you will need to consume strictly just protein—no fat or carbs

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09 Sep 2015 14:56 #190090 by Furk
Heya, where did you get the article from? Skimmed it and it looks reasonable. You can do it smarter though. IMO the 1st purpose of carb-ups is to reset leptin (hormone essential for effective fatloss). Also don't carb-up before the first 2 weeks, not worth it.

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09 Sep 2015 15:29 #190091 by Travelller101
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Hi send you the link


forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=36497

Hope i was allowed but its not copyrighted was from a forum

Okay thanks was just wondering so now carbs other than the 30-50 g per day for 2 weeks ?

But do you agree with content just asking ?

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09 Sep 2015 20:40 #190106 by Furk
Travelller if you give me your latest measurements I'll work out a carb up for you.

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09 Sep 2015 20:59 #190107 by Travelller101
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Thanks sorry for asking what all do you need ?

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09 Sep 2015 21:26 #190108 by Furk

Travelller101 wrote: Thanks sorry for asking what all do you need ?

Height, weight, lean body mass (if you know), activity level. And what's your maintenance calories.

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09 Sep 2015 21:35 #190109 by Travelller101
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Thanks so much

Weight 96,5

Height 1,73

Body fat +- 20%

5 x weight training per week

5x 30 min cardio low intensity per week

Currently on 2450- 2500 cal per day

Macros

70% fat

25 % protein

5 % carbs

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09 Sep 2015 21:39 #190110 by Travelller101
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Cycle iam on

Week 1-9 test prop 1ml 3X a week (since u doing 1ml only twice a week)
Week 1-6 masteron prop 3X 1ml per week
Week 7-11 winstrol 40mg
Week 7-11 proviron 40mg

This is week four now on my cycle

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09 Sep 2015 21:43 #190111 by Furk
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09 Sep 2015 21:48 #190112 by Travelller101
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09 Sep 2015 22:57 #190113 by Furk
Okay so I calculate:

Regular keto day
2101cals per day
139g P 136g F >30g C

Carb up first 24hr
4357 cals
Post workout: 113g carbs 56g protein
Rest of the day: 171g protein 76g fats

Carb up second 24hr
2440 cals
374g carbs
153g protein
41g fat

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09 Sep 2015 23:04 #190114 by Travelller101
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Okay thank you so much

So need to go down daily to 2101 cal?

And when must i carb up only in 2 weeks time ?

Once again thanks for help

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09 Sep 2015 23:13 #190115 by Furk
Wait *at least* 2 weeks to carb up. Are you doing the workout as in your link?

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09 Sep 2015 23:18 #190116 by Travelller101
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Monday

Chest and triceps

Tuesday

Back and biceps

Wednesday

Just cardio

Thursday

Shoulders and abs and so on

Friday

Rest

Saturday

Legs

Sunday

Rest

30 min cardio with each session

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09 Sep 2015 23:24 #190117 by Furk
Yeah you're going to have to change that. Friday needs to be a depletion workout to make the most of it. Look at your link, he's got an interesting protocol, should work well.

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09 Sep 2015 23:34 #190118 by Furk
Isn't all this covered in the keto sticky? Their is such one right?

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