Fasted training

Ok first of it will take you about two days to completely drain glycogen stores in the muscle, so the question realy is simple- how fasted is fasted enough?

Bases on the above this meens that once you refeed after day1's workout your glycogen levels should remain relatively constant if you are on a balanced diet! Then before bed you consume your x anount of fats to keep your body anabolic but in turn also keeps your glycogen levels high as your body still has another form of enegy! So infact you enter day 2 with a close to full glycogen store- woop:lol:

I think a better question would be at what persentage of glycogen does ones body start to burn food in the system instead of using stored glycogen as it is obviously not at 0%

My comment was just a thought and an idea, someting he might try! My body responded well to this type of thing, if you want to call it bro sience then so be it!

Regarding dextrose- you will not have an increase of insulin if you consume dextrose while bloodsugar is normal, it needs to be low, and if blood sugar is low it meens that your body is no longer using glycogen as energy. And you know.what that meens:lol:

Anyway not spending much more time on this, was just trying to give some input. Later

Furk wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Lol bud, read my post again, we are saying the same thing:lol:

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/glycogen

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/blood+sugar

No, very different.


EDIT: I think we owe you an apology for hi-jacking this thread GSP.

By posting two links to the discriptions of glycogen and blood sugar you are either trying to insult my intelligence or you are trying to say that these things are not related- I will leave you hanging with the later.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: By posting two links to the discriptions of glycogen and blood sugar you are either trying to insult my intelligence or you are trying to say that these things are not related- I will leave you hanging with the later.

No, I just though you were confusing the two. Just cause sugar is not in the stomach, does not mean it's not in the liver, muscles and blood.

I think bro-science is an unfair, and misused label as of lately. I call for a new label, "anecdotal experience" anyone? :woohoo:

Yes but only glycogen stored in the muscle can be converted to glucose! The glycogen in the liver is used for organs only.

GSP wrote:

Ian79 wrote: How do you eat 415g of sardines... I've just gone green :sick: thinking about it.

Good luck Bro

hahaha..that was a typo mate

its 215g and its a mission. The only way I do it is by downing every gulf with sugar free ginger beer to mask the taste!!!!

Sardines are awesome!

Theodoric wrote:

GSP wrote:

Ian79 wrote: How do you eat 415g of sardines... I've just gone green :sick: thinking about it.

Good luck Bro

hahaha..that was a typo mate

its 215g and its a mission. The only way I do it is by downing every gulf with sugar free ginger beer to mask the taste!!!!

Sardines are awesome!

:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Yes but only glycogen stored in the muscle can be converted to glucose! The glycogen in the liver is used for organs only.

Glycogen has to be broken down to glucose before it can be used. Your liver's glycogen is also used to maintain normal blood sugar levels.

Fat is broken down into glucose as well. Triglycerides and fatty acids --> broken down to glycerol --> broken down to glucose.

This is where all your energy comes from when you are fasting, and why fasted training when doing intermittent fasting is awesome. Your body adapts to your nutrient timing very well once you are in a routine. Fasted weight training on an "eat every 2-3 hours" diet isn't ideal. When you fast lipolysis (breaking down of fats to glucose) is drastically increased.

Muscleaddict wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Yes but only glycogen stored in the muscle can be converted to glucose! The glycogen in the liver is used for organs only.

Glycogen has to be broken down to glucose before it can be used. Your liver's glycogen is also used to maintain normal blood sugar levels.

Fat is broken down into glucose as well. Triglycerides and fatty acids --> broken down to glycerol --> broken down to glucose.

This is where all your energy comes from when you are fasting, and why fasted training when doing intermittent fasting is awesome. Your body adapts to your nutrient timing very well once you are in a routine. Fasted weight training on an "eat every 2-3 hours" diet isn't ideal. When you fast lipolysis (breaking down of fats to glucose) is drastically increased.

Yes sorry I wrote that completely wrong, only the glycogen stored in the liver is used for other organs but can also be used for muscles!

That was kind of my point if you read my previous post regarding how long it takes your body to reach a true fasted state. This is why I don't see much difference between doing fasted cardio- but more specifically weight training while on a "eat every two hour diet" as you call it, and maybe doing weight training then cardio afterwards while you had some carbs pre workout! Both these conditions won't leave your body in a truly fasted state. But both will leave you with a low enough bloodsugar level to kick start your body breaking down fat to replenish glucose.

Some sound advice on this thread but too damn technically/scientific for me. I've been on a proper cut the past three weeks AND started taking creatine mono AND don't do cardio AND just follow a straightforward 1800 Kcal diet everday, some days I'll up carbs loke on leg day or when I feel heavy drowned and body under a lot of strain. I must say thus far the cut has been going well.

The only cardio I get is riding my bicycle 3km to the gym and 3km back home. I also just try and keep my carbs earlier in the day or meal 1,2 and 4. Take my creatine + dextrose post workout and all my carbs are around my workouts.

Seems like stuff gets too scientific once your BF is extremely low or you\re already a machine, as for me I'm probably still around 17-18% bf.

Anyway GSP, to me it looks like you know what you are doing and want, good luck. I'm sure you'll be a ripped body this summer on the beach.