new cycle till july

another high falutin get off your high horse dumbass.you dont close threads i open ge over yourself.
And you should have used propecia bfore u lost your hair.DHT is a bitch

Quint if you insult another member on this forum I will ban you.

is it ok for them to insult me then?
i never attacked any of them personally before they attacked me.Do they get the same warning or is this a brotherhood of some kind.If so ill gladly move on.

If you don't like the way senior members hand out advice then don't take it...if u are wanting to move on. Yes this is a brotherhood where more experienced members are treated with a little more respect,if you do not like that,you are more than welcome to leave or contact admin.

you give respect to earn respect in my view.When u speak to people you do it in a proper manner
or rather say nothing.I dont have a problem debating with people on this thread as long as its done civilly.Being an experienced member does not give u the right to insult anybodys intellect or character just bcause you have a difference in opinion.
So i guess debate and different views are not tolerated and to be "accepted" one has to conform to the norms.

No one has expected you to conform, once has that been said? Do yourself a favour and do a whole lot more reading on substances, anabolic pharmacology by seth roberts or william llewelyns anabolics 2009,you will see the way to use substances correctly by people who are experts in the field of anabolics.

I did not suggest the rest of your cycles have been off, i dont know what they were... But i do believe that a complete lack of PCT is reckless. It's just playing with fire...

As for the 2 week cycles, im still not convinced. Im sure you could gain a bit from dbol in 2 weeks, and possibly gain a bit from the tren kicking in over the next few weeks, but this is far from the most efficient, safe and effective way to do it. Stable blood levels of compounds is something we generally strive for when cycling and i dont see this providing such.

As well as that what i found to be reckless is the very short recovery times, and i feel the more appropriate way to deal with the fast would be to run the cycle afterwards to regain lost muscle, rather than run it up until and then hipe to hang on. Our bodies are generally sensitive post cycle, and most will battle to hang onto all of their gains. Entering a fast immediately post cyle should waste away most of those gains. Post cycle is a very important time for nutrition and training to be spot on

u have been very civil and i find ur advice interesting to say the least and i was not referring to you in my replies.I have more or less 4months till the fast i would like to get a cycle in before then as i have been off for almost 2 months.Can u maybe suggest something a little less harsh in a 8 week cycle this will leave me a month before the fast and a month during the fast to recover from this cycle.which means i could start another cycle soon after the fast ends.I take it 2 months would be long enough to recover bfore my next cycle.
I was thinking maybe
500 mg a week cypionate week 1 to 8
40 mg dbol daily week 1 to 4
I was thinking of leaving the tren till after the fast which would make my recovery a bit easier
Looking to throw in something in its place bcause my cycle is looking a bit light (equipoise takes long to show
results and i think deca would be as bad as tren if not worse)
my pct would be clomid 2 weeks after last test shot
any help would be greatly appreciated

That sounds like a more reasonable idea.

Forget the cyp, it wont kick in in 8 weeks. I'd suggest something with test prop. Possibly test prop and anavar for 8 weeks. Or primo? Depends on your goals really.
Could even do test prop with a dbol frontload for 4 weeks...

I agree with staying away from tren or deca/NPP as these will complicate recovery. Also if you use prop you can start your pct sooner and be all done long before fasting

test prop gaan eina wees but i guess it makes sense.
will stick to the dbol though would like to bulk as much as i can before the fast.
do i do the prop 100mg daily or 200mg every 2nd day?
do i start the clomid (i guess this would be all pct needed for this cycle) the day after my last shot?

Agree with Spike in regard to my. Comment about you being reckless I was referring to your short recovery between cycles as well as bad PCT and you stating you are fine without even doing bloodwork.

I'd say 8 weeks Test Prop at 450mg/week, 80mg Anavar a day. No need for a front load followed by 4 weeks of Winstrol at 50mg/day that's a nice simple cycle. I would take longer than 2 months off prior to starting a cycle remember time on + pct = time off. Again without proper nutrition you are wasting your money and time.

An 8 week period you could look at doing test prop,masteron prop and NPP, a combination of that with a lean mass drug like oral- turinabol over 8 weeks will produce a nice solid gain in lean muscle mass,run some hcg/ovidrel through out cycle to keep shut down to a minimum.

no problem koe 007 done and dusted.
DJ never used hcg before would pregnyl be equally effective have cheap contact for this and am i right in saying this has to be kept in the fridge.
I see koe007 suggests 450mg a week wouldnt this be a little too low i was thinking more along the lines of 100mg a day or 200mg every 2nd day=700mg a week

Pregnyl and hcg are the same things.yes kept in the fridge.

Why don't you do a normal bulking cycle (test and dbol 10-12 weeks) and plan it so that the the fast coincides with the last 4 weeks of your cycle so you can run something like winstrol during the bridge to keep you anti-catabolic/anabolic whilst you're on a calorie deficit?

johann83 wrote: Guys just 2 remind you,this is the sick b@stard who wanted 2 inject his dog Spartacus,let's not give him any attention!He is clearly not worth it the dumb fool.I'd say discussion closed???

dir was nie mooi van jou nie. johann83

that was my original thinking but instead of the winstrol i was going to use a low dose long estered test like sustanon for the bridge.
I think many people on here had a problem bcause of the non existent pct in my plan.
Common sense has prevailed however so i'll be doing the pct and test prop and dbol.
giving my body a break during the fast might not be a bad thing at all and i'll come back refreshed and hit it hard and heavy.
Thanks for the advice though

Good idea Quint, that sounds like the best option... And after the fast you'll be surprised at how fast the muscle comes back. Muscle memory is a wonderful thing. I'd suggest not doing another cycle immediately after the fast, but rather train naturally for a month or two