Re: putting together my first cycle

Ok well here's hoping everything goes ok...

Just some virgin muscle bro, cyp takes 4-5 weeks to 'kick-in' hence the oral frontload. The pain will subside after a few shots, take a leke hot shower after the shot and rub it in.

I actually like the pain in a way

Its not a big deal about the kick in and I might end up bridging anyway.

I've been making good gains lately so this is just to give it some extra oomf!

Currently incline benching 115X4 and squatting 150X10-12 and I would like to add 15-20kgs to those by the end of all of this cycle. Main goal is size though.

Youll get the size just be patient

Is Ovidrel usually a bit more pricey compared to HCG?

Oh and second pin was yesterday. The left leg isn't even half as sore as the right one was. Current weight is 108.7kgs. I was just under 105 just a few weeks ago. I don't know if I've been over eating or if its just water weight.

ovidrel is more expensive than hcg.

3rd pin was yesterday. Feelin pretty good in gym even if it hasn't kicked in yet. Might be placebo or maybe just my diet doin its thing. Squat is up to 160x10 and everything else is coming up a bit too. I don't know if this has anything to do with the test but I have been getting some pretty intense lower back pumps over the last few days. I was basically doing yoga in between sets today to try and find a comfortable position! And on leg press the most :huh:
Looking foward to FEELING the KICK!! :evil:

Good luck bro!

In my 3rd week now. Feeling bloody strong! Recovering between sets and workouts seems quicker. Incline bench is up to 120X5. I think I might end up pressing 3 plates by the end of this! Will definitely be happy with that. No signs of any sides yet so yea... So far so good

Just about finished my 4th week now and my 1st vial. Other than shit going on in my life that's got me feeling down in the dumps, the cycle is going well. Strength is coming up nicely. I had'nt trained front delts in 6 months and now I'm already pressing the 40s for 20 at the end of my shoulder workout! Feels damn good! Arms are up .5 inches to 18.5 and just looking bigger overall. Thinking I might use the money I was going to spend on winny and get some aromasin to run with my ovidrel during PCT as mentioned in my other thread. Do I absolutely need to bridge with something in order to hold onto gains?

As your blood testosterone diminishes, so will your gains. I would do just winstrol 30-50mg daily in your case, or dbol 20mg daily if you dont care about the water

Sorry to hear that Stanabolic, hope shit sorts itself out soon for you. Regarding the bridge, I'd run 40mg Winny up until the day before PCT starts. What cycle are you running and for how long?

Thanks MK. I'm runnning test cyp from axio labs. 800mg the 1st week followed by 400mg a week since. Should last 9 weeks total. Just out of curiosity could one switch to prop and continue til 14 days out from PCT? Would that not be more benefitial than winny and possibly even still make gains instead of trying to hold onto any?

You could do it, but thats another 2 weeks on test and another 2 weeks of suppressing the gonads, the reason we prefer DHT deritaves for bridging is because they are less suppresive so you dont go into a real shock when starting pct, not saying test is highly suppresive like 19nors, but i wouldnt reccommend it for a first cycle, stick to the basics buddy. If you dont have fake gear and a wasted diet i can gaurantee good results, i would however not have done the frontload and just did 400mg per week for 10 weeks, but thats just me. Try it if you must, i wouldnt.

I wasn't aware that you had done a cycle yet. Did you bridge with winny? Either way, thanks for the input. I understand why most choose to bridge with something like winny but 9 weeks is pretty short so I didn't think another few weeks of test (just with a shorter half life) would be a problem. The reason I frontloaded is because many guys I talk to who have experience with cycles and frontloading test have told me that they felt the kick quicker and by the time the kick came their blood levels were so much higher that the gains were aparently great from early on in the cycle. Results are already good anyway. Just checking out my options so I can plan accordingly.

I would. If i was you, havent done a cycle bro. You frontloaded 800mg the first week therefore cutting out 1 week (week 10) of your cycle, thats what im refering to.

Stanabolic, if you're into frontloading then why don't you frontload with Test Prop, you will minimise the negative effect on your liver and you will probably make better gains as the Test Prop will go immediately into your blood stream instead of through your liver. Throw in some Proviron at 40mg ED throughout cycle and maybe even buy some more Cyp and extend your cycle to 12 weeks.

I recently ran my first cycle of Test Enanthate at 300mgs for 8 weeks and I was more than disappointed with my results. I was too scared to try and up my dose or to add in anything, and it resulted in poor gains. The gains I got were probably even from my diet. So sometimes doing it bigger than you planned the first time around will inevitably prove more beneficial as you'll gain more in the end. That doesn't mean overcomplicate things, but doing to little sometimes (as in my case) could do next to nothing for you. A few extra bux could leave you very happy with your gains.

MK wrote: Stanabolic, if you're into frontloading then why don't you frontload with Test Prop, you will minimise the negative effect on your liver and you will probably make better gains as the Test Prop will go immediately into your blood stream instead of through your liver. Throw in some Proviron at 40mg ED throughout cycle and maybe even buy some more Cyp and extend your cycle to 12 weeks.

I recently ran my first cycle of Test Enanthate at 300mgs for 8 weeks and I was more than disappointed with my results. I was too scared to try and up my dose or to add in anything, and it resulted in poor gains. The gains I got were probably even from my diet. So sometimes doing it bigger than you planned the first time around will inevitably prove more beneficial as you'll gain more in the end. That doesn't mean overcomplicate things, but doing to little sometimes (as in my case) could do next to nothing for you. A few extra bux could leave you very happy with your gains.

Totally agree with MK, always try to give your cycle a bit of an edge. Just make sure its well planned and you did your research,also don't overdo it.

Thanks gents. MK, I'm already 4 weeks in but I will consider that for the next cycle if I actually do another one. I have considered extending to 12 weeks as I am very happy with the results so far and if the rest of the cycle goes this well then it was well worth it. I just don't enjoy pinning anymore haha. My mind right now is set on the bridge and pct but if I have extra cash then I might extend.

gorilla wrote: You could do it, but thats another 2 weeks on test and another 2 weeks of suppressing the gonads, the reason we prefer DHT deritaves for bridging is because they are less suppresive so you dont go into a real shock when starting pct, not saying test is highly suppresive like 19nors, but i wouldnt reccommend it for a first cycle, stick to the basics buddy. If you dont have fake gear and a wasted diet i can gaurantee good results, i would however not have done the frontload and just did 400mg per week for 10 weeks, but thats just me. Try it if you must, i wouldnt.

Gorilla have some karma for a good explanation to something I didn't know.
Stanabolic good luck bro! Remember diet is EVERYTHING!

Thanks mate. I've just come out of a very serious relationship and unlike some I don't stuff my face when I'm sad. I wish I did but I lose my apetite completely. I am however more mtovated than ever to come out of this looking look a g'damn superhero!! So now I've cranked this shit up and am in the Rocky mindset now!

Beast Mode: [ON] OFF!

2 shots into my second vial now. The test looks clearer than I seem to remember. Its like water. Is this normal?

Things are going fairly well I would say. Fast approaching a 5 plate squat and my incline bench is up to 125x5. Calves are up an inch (they were non-existant before so hopefully they have some development by the end) and everything is just noticeably bigger, especially my delts and chest. Just 4 more weeks so go! Better make the best of it!! Oh and no sides, not even a pimple, just smaller nads haha. Does it typically take duration of the PCT for the balls to get back to their original size or quite soon during HCG?

Stanabolic wrote: In my 3rd week now. Feeling bloody strong! Recovering between sets and workouts seems quicker. Incline bench is up to 120X5. I think I might end up pressing 3 plates by the end of this! Will definitely be happy with that. No signs of any sides yet so yea... So far so good

Howzit bro, In an earlier post you said you looking to gain size and if it's size you looking to gain rather keep your rep range 8-12 for upper body and 15 for legs. I see you benching 120 for 5 reps, that's great but only going to help with strength not size. Just my 2c

Well I only go so heavy every 3rd workout and its only for incline bench and the squat but for that I rarely do less than 8 reps. I want the size but I want a strong incline bench and squat too and I think I can get away with both if I do it right.

Stanabolic wrote: Well I only go so heavy every 3rd workout and its only for incline bench and the squat but for that I rarely do less than 8 reps. I want the size but I want a strong incline bench and squat too and I think I can get away with both if I do it right.

Putting it that way, looks like you on track bro. Enjoying the cycle so far?