1st Time Bulking Cycle

Hi, please crit my mates Bulking Cycle.
It will be he's 1st and only (what he says) cycle.
The diet and training is in check, I'm trying to get him on Doctari's PCT.

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Sorry forgot to add he's stats:
88kg @ 22% BF
Wants to be 90kg @ 10% BF
He wants to use something safe
He wants it to be a once off

Week 1
Test E @ 200mg
Deca @ 200mg
Winny 1 Tab Daily

Week 2
Test E @ 200mg
Deca @ 200mg
Winny 1 Tab Daily

Week 3
Test E @ 400mg
Deca @ 400mg
Winny 2 Tabs Daily

Week 4
Test E @ 400mg
Deca @ 400mg
Winny 2 Tabs Daily

Week 5
Test E @ 600mg
Deca @ 400mg
Winny 2 Tabs Daily

Week 6
Test E @ 600mg
Deca @ 400mg
Winny 2 Tabs Daily

Week 7
Test E @ 600mg
Tren A @ 200m (split twice per week)
Equi @ 200mg Daily

Week 8
Test E @ 600mg
Tren A @ 200m (split twice per week)
Equi @ 200mg Daily
Anavar @ 1 Tab Daily

Week 9
Test E @ 600mg
Tren A @ 200m (split twice per week)
Equi @ 200mg Daily
Anavar @ 1 Tab Daily

Week 10
Test E @ 600mg
Tren A @ 200m (split twice per week)
Equi @ 200mg Daily
Anavar @ 1 Tab Daily

Week 11
Test E @ 600mg
Tren A @ 200m (split twice per week)
Anavar @ 2 Tabs Daily
 
Week 12
Test E @ 600mg
Tren A @ 200m (split twice per week)
Anavar @ 2 Tabs Daily

Dude Deca, Tren and Equi on a first cycle is a huge no. Tell him to do Test Cyp/E @ 500-600mg a week for 10-12 weeks frontloaded with 40-50mg dbol for 3-4 weeks

check it
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

22% bodyfat is he crazy???let him cut down first to 10-12% bro.he will be huge...but fat

Going to send him the link of this post, Thanx guys!!
He actaully paid a Guru to do this for him....

i think his body fat is way too high,but each to their own,

The poor oke is past confused now...

Here is the diet that he needs to follow on the cycle...

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Meal 1:
150g Steak, 1/2 Cup Raw Oats, 1 Whole Egg, @ Slices of Toats
Meal 2:
180g Chicken Breast, 1 Cup of White Rice, 1 Apple
Meal 3:
180g Extra Lean Mince, 200g Potato
Meal 4:
180g Chicken Breast, 1 Cup of White Rice, 1 Cup Broccoli
Meal 5:
180g Chicken Breast, 1 Cup of Brown Rice, Salad
Meal 6:
30g Casein Protein, 40g Walnuts

well thats what he needs to do if thats the guy was told to follow...

Body Fat too high (drop 10%) and first cycle should always be test only.

Inja wrote: Body Fat too high (drop 10%) and first cycle should always be test only.

Dbol frontload Inja?

You can use a Dbol kickstart but I would prefer a test only kicker.
Sometimes I'm torn on this topic. I approach everything like a scientist. The frist cycle is the learning curve. If you don't use the kicker then you'll know how long it takes for the long esters to 'kick in' with your body...
However I agree that this could be a waste, since we all know that long esters take a couple of weeks. So a kicker is wise to include in the first cycle, but if you use Dbol you will not be able to differentiate the effects of Dbol and its potent estrogen conversion, and testosterone. You will not be able discern the extent of your side effect sensitivity as easily...

So for a first cycle kicker I'd suggest a short ester. My first cycle was 4 sust vials and a box of depotrone. 200mg 1 shot a week.

i dont understand this cycle,200mg of equi daily for 4 weeks? i think this cycle is madness,tren and deca is gonna give issues, he needs to cut down and do either tren or either deca, and i dont suggest running winstrol to start off the cycle...

Deca and Tren for 1st cycle......eish sterkte ...

I'm by no means an expert, hence me posting it here...

Why would he run Deca for 6 weeks (thought I need be run for longer) and then change to tren?
I'm guessing he's changing the Deca for Tren...

What is 1 and later on 2 tabs on Anavar going to help? Thought it needs tobe run at higher dosages?

Why ramp up the dosages? I'm guessing to wait for the kick then double kick it?

Rookie wrote: I'm by no means an expert, hence me posting it here...

Why would he run Deca for 6 weeks (thought I need be run for longer) and then change to tren?
I'm guessing he's changing the Deca for Tren...

What is 1 and later on 2 tabs on Anavar going to help? Thought it needs tobe run at higher dosages?

Why ramp up the dosages? I'm guessing to wait for the kick then double kick it?

Why are you/him even worrying about deca and especially tren. Tell him to get back to basics Test Cyp/E with Dbol frontload, keep it simple man

AAS wrote:

Rookie wrote: I'm by no means an expert, hence me posting it here...

Why would he run Deca for 6 weeks (thought I need be run for longer) and then change to tren?
I'm guessing he's changing the Deca for Tren...

What is 1 and later on 2 tabs on Anavar going to help? Thought it needs tobe run at higher dosages?

Why ramp up the dosages? I'm guessing to wait for the kick then double kick it?

Why are you/him even worrying about deca and especially tren. Tell him to get back to basics Test Cyp/E with Dbol frontload, keep it simple man

Not the least worried about Deca\Tren as such, more worried about a Guru suggesting a cycle like this for a 1st timer..... And just trying to get behind such a crazy idea...

Liewe...


Who'd he get that cycle from? The guy that killed Michael Jackson?

spike wrote: Liewe...


Who'd he get that cycle from? The guy that killed Michael Jackson?

Michael Jackson killed himself, that doc just gave him what he asked for

Fair point. So who would we hold responsible when this guy dies?

spike wrote: Fair point. So who would we hold responsible when this guy dies?

Jakes probably, looks like his handy work :lol: but seriously its his fault if he kills himself on this cycle.

Ok, as a man of science myself and someone who has recently completed a clinical trial, i have an idea. How about we use this selfless, unassuming young fella as a guinea pig. Get him to go for full blood tests pre cycle, then monitor him throughout this cycle, taking careful note of gains and side effects. Before, during and after pics may be taken and weight and bodyfat % measured weekly. Post-cycle a full bank of bloods and organ function tests could be done, and then again post-PCT.

The Effects of Anabolic Steroid Abuse in a First Time Steroid User: A Case Study.... sounds about right. Hmmm, maybe a pHd study methinks...
We could even include a post mortem into the final assessment...

spike wrote: Ok, as a man of science myself and someone who has recently completed a clinical trial, i have an idea. How about we use this selfless, unassuming young fella as a guinea pig. Get him to go for full blood tests pre cycle, then monitor him throughout this cycle, taking careful note of gains and side effects. Before, during and after pics may be taken and weight and bodyfat % measured weekly. Post-cycle a full bank of bloods and organ function tests could be done, and then again post-PCT.

The Effects of Anabolic Steroid Abuse in a First Time Steroid User: A Case Study.... sounds about right. Hmmm, maybe a pHd study methinks...
We could even include a post mortem into the final assessment...

Haha great spike :lol:

Good Morning Guys,
Thanx a million for all the input, that's what makes the forum such a wonderfull place to learn.
I'm sure this will convince him otherwise...

Just a a side note (not that it justifies the cycle). He has been for bloodwork before meeting the guy, apprently he'll have to have bloodwork every 2 weeks.

As AAS said, keep it simple!!!

Hey Rookie

Is your mate still serious about this cycle? I hope not man. Never mind the Tren (has he read up on this drug at all?) if he takes Deca with no PCT we all know whats going to happen. Also he is wasting his money on the EQ at 4 weeks. It takes around 7 weeks to start feeling results and must be run for 12 to 14 weeks, way too long for a first cycle. Winstrol and later Var are going to punish his liver.

Its just all round bad advice given by somebody who doesn't know what they are doing, or who doesnt care what the effects of their advice are on others.

Basics, Test cyp for 10 weeks frontloaded with Dbol or Tbol.

Yeah look, to be honest its not really as dangerous as all that, but it certainly is highly ineffective and unnecessary. Gonna cost an arm and a leg too, and certainly wont yield more than a basic test cycle with a solid diet

Mfezdro wrote: Hey Rookie

Is your mate still serious about this cycle? I hope not man. Never mind the Tren (has he read up on this drug at all?) if he takes Deca with no PCT we all know whats going to happen. Also he is wasting his money on the EQ at 4 weeks. It takes around 7 weeks to start feeling results and must be run for 12 to 14 weeks, way too long for a first cycle. Winstrol and later Var are going to punish his liver.

Its just all round bad advice given by somebody who doesn't know what they are doing, or who doesnt care what the effects of their advice are on others.

Basics, Test cyp for 10 weeks frontloaded with Dbol or Tbol.

Hey Bud,
No I think he realizes it's overkill.

I'm sure he's going to hit a Test Cyp and frontload as suggested.
He's talking about dumping the 'Guru' too...