Serious first cycle

jakes
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19 Jan 2012 17:01 #89200 by jakes

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Thank gosh :whistle: My nuts are safe.

One question dg, what cycle do you think would be better? Frontloading and endloading with dbol or the one above or something similar? That one that von d listed should give 15kg easily minimum... after all the water has been lost. I would do that... Or 500mg for 10 weeks, 125 for 6 weeks then 900mg test e with 300mg npp. Woul

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Deadgoat
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19 Jan 2012 17:41 #89210 by Deadgoat

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The one vonD mentioned will yield max gains but max sides as well, would plan properly and give myself enough time from the start and do the cycle I'm currently planning to do (dbol front and endload with test). Again cruising with test is pointless...

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jakes
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19 Jan 2012 17:59 #89211 by jakes

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Deadgoat wrote: The one vonD mentioned will yield max gains but max sides as well, would plan properly and give myself enough time from the start and do the cycle I'm currently planning to do (dbol front and endload with test). Again cruising with test is pointless...

Yap yap "the one vond mentioned would give max gains" yap yap yapidi yap yap.

All that matters

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STUARTF
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20 Jan 2012 08:48 #89261 by STUARTF

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I really don't see the benefit of having a cruizing period. That means that you are going to put the body through 28weeks of test with no break. This guys HPTA is not gonna take a beating and will take a very special PCT to come right. Also the cruizing period is just going to destabilize bloodlevels and gains are going to be all over the place. Why not just do a consistant 500mg - 700mg test for 14 weeks with a d-bol frontload and winny hardner & bridge at the end??

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jakes
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20 Jan 2012 09:24 #89269 by jakes

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That's only 14 weeks, the one above is like 20weeks, gains will be better. During the cruise I don't think the intention is to gain muscle. Its only test, you will recover easily in my opinion.

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00pump
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20 Jan 2012 09:37 #89270 by 00pump

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And the dangers of increased RBC?

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VonD
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20 Jan 2012 09:42 #89272 by VonD

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Rbc will go down during the cruise phase.

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jakes
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20 Jan 2012 09:45 #89274 by jakes

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What if someone did something like this:
1-10:500mg test cyp
11-16: hcg eod
17-27:1000mg test cyp, 0.25mg letro eod
28-34: hcg eod
34-44:1000mg test cyp, 450mg npp, 0.3mg letro eod

I know this isn't the safest option, but would it be safer for example than what vonD listed?

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STUARTF
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20 Jan 2012 11:26 #89301 by STUARTF

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Shjo Jakes, you don't f$@# around hey. That's three back to back cycles in 44weeks - basically a year. I stand by my opinion that cycles need to be spread out with a healthy recovery period. If one is determined to do a full year test cycle then I would imagine that it would be best to do some hcg and nolva/clomid in between just to restore HPTA function in case of permanant atrophe.

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jakes
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20 Jan 2012 11:31 #89302 by jakes

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Not if you compete... And that's actually 30 weeks on bro not 44. 30 out of 54 of the year is okay in my book

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Empire
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20 Jan 2012 11:35 #89304 by Empire

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52weeks in a year jakes.

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STUARTF
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20 Jan 2012 11:40 #89305 by STUARTF

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jakes wrote: Not if you compete... And that's actually 30 weeks on bro not 44. 30 out of 54 of the year is okay in my book

When I say off periods or"recovery periods" I mean off everything including liver toxic PCT chemicals.... so it is 44 weeks 'on' in my books. I am definately not gonna spend more than 30 weeks on 1000mg test/wk.... i have respect for my body and my future.

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jakes
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20 Jan 2012 11:52 #89308 by jakes

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I see those 6weeks in between as off time... I have respect for mine too, just know what is necessary...

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