Nate's Second Cycle

Hey guys,

Hope all is well. Wishing everyone on this forum an awesome 2015!
I took an awesome month break from work and have been sticking to my goals at the gym and been eating as clean as I can.

My primary goal since the first cycle has been to drop my body fat percentage below 12% before considering a new cycle. Obviously my age is against me, and I have really been struggling with getting rid of the stubborn layer of fat around the abdomen. But no excuses! If there is one thing I have learnt from the pros on this forum it is just keep trying. At least I’m not on the couch like most people my age.

The last few weeks I have kept reminding myself of the biggest lessons I have learnt as a result of my first cycle:
(1) This is a lifestyle decision and there are no shortcuts. It requires a positive mental outlook and it requires HARD WORK.
(2) Going to gym is just one element. Diet is absolutely crucial.
(3) If you can’t afford all the bells and whistles and good quality product, then don’t cycle!
(4) Pay attention to the details and do your homework. PCT is absolutely crucial. Take the advice of the forum and do it properly!
(5) There is no point to doing a cycle if your bodyfat is not low.

Thanks again to all the moderators and pros on this site, and to the Boss for making this forum a truly invaluable resource.

I have been researching a possible second cycle and will post my ideas in the week on this thread. It is looking like an Equi cycle. No Deca or Tren for Nate!

Looking forward to another great year! One day at a time, one lesson at a time, one rep at a time.

Nate

Nate40 wrote: No Deca or Tren for Nate!

Why did you battle to recover?

Good luck Nate. Hit it hard. Going to be a long cycle 16-20 weeks I assume?

Its alive! Welcome back

Good luck, balls to the wall bru

You have learnt volumes from your first cycle not only about steroids but about yourself as an individual. Your second cycle will be a big success!

Thanks MA, Oupa, Pyro, Fillet.

MA yes it will be at least 15 weeks ex bridge and PCT. I will post my proposed new cycle by tommorow. I thought I should first read through my old thread again before you slap me lol.

Funny one Fillet. I think I've learnt my lessons. We hope lol.

Hi guys,

As promised my proposed second cycle including bridge and PCT:

[A] CYCLE – 15 weeks (Days 1 to 105)

(1) 250mg of Test Enanthate injected on Tuesday and Friday for 15 weeks
(2) 250mg of Equipose injected on Tuesday and Friday for 15 weeks
(3) 3x 20mg Anavar(Everyday from 16 days before end of cycle to end of bridge - 8 weeks max)
(4) 2x 25mg Proviron Tabs everyday (one in morning and one in afternoon)
(5) 250UI of HCG (Pregnyl) injected twice a week
(6) 0,5mg letro (arimidex) every 5 days for bloating / water retention / sore nipples

BRIDGE – 54 days

(1) 1x 150mg Pin of Test Prop every two days until Day 40 of Bridge period
(2) Continue with 3x 20mg Anavar until day 40 of bridge
(3) Continue with 2x 25mg Proviron everyday
(4) Continue with HCG at 250iu twice a week
(5) Continue with 0,5mg letro (arimidex) every 5 days if needed
(6) Then two weeks without anything before PCT – 14 days

[C] PCT – 60 days

(1) Day 1 to 60: 20mg Aromasin EOD
(2) Day 16 to 30: 50mg Clomid daily
(3) Day 30 to 60: 20mg Nolvadex daily

TOTAL CYCLE DURATION : 219 days

[D] EXTRAS

(1) Pre-workout – NO-Xplode
(2) Good Whey Protein & Glutamine Shakes
(3) Some Joint Support as well as Omega 3’s
(4) Essentiale for liver support


I would really appreciate any feedback regarding this proposed cycle. This time I am going to purchase everything prior to starting MA.

Nate

Test-En and EQ my FAVOURITE!! I can see you have learnt quite a bit so good on you mate.
Run the test-en up to 30 days out from PCT.
Which AI are you gonna use? I would use Aromasin instead if you plan to run it all the way through.
Run the orals up to two days before PCT. This is where you need them the most!
Your pct could be better. Clomid from day 1 dude. I would leave the Aromasin if you use it through your cycle.
What about an oral kick start?

I thought using Aromasin in cycle could be counter productive because you want some element of oestrogen.
What the would the Aromasin dosage and timing be?

Your estrogen levels will depend on hoe you dose the drug. If you employ it from the start then 20mg E3D should be enough, and if very gyno prone 20mg EOD. It won't kill your estrogen completely, just keep it under control. Aromasin is the king of the AI's.

@Pyro would you use it in cycle, and in PCT too, if you've made use of a Nor19?

Or omit it form Doctaris PCT if used on cycle?

Sorry for hijack there Nate!

If you use it on cycle and run it up until pct there's no need to include it in pct.

Thanks Pyro,

Do you reckon my bridge is a bit long then for an equi cycle? I remember MA telling me that the 54 day bridge was crucial for my deca cycle.
Doesn't arimidex count as my AI?
Do you think a kick-start is necessary?

Thanks man,

Nate

Nate40 wrote: Thanks Pyro,

Do you reckon my bridge is a bit long then for an equi cycle? I remember MA telling me that the 54 day bridge was crucial for my deca cycle.
EQ must be stopped 50 days before start of PCT and Test-En 30 days before. So run the Test-En longer.
Doesn't arimidex count as my AI?
I am suggesting another AI for you that will work better.
Do you think a kick-start is necessary?
It's not necessary like yeast in bread but it would be a good idea. We want to optimize your cycle!

Thanks man,

Nate

Hi guys,

Hope you are all well.
Quick update. I have been struggling to get my body fat below 12%. But as promised, no body fat loss no cycle. But we getting there.

Starting to pop serious veins but also starting to look like a Kenyan middle distance athlete. Also my left shoulder and various parts of my old body are really hurting lately. Took the last few days off and tried to get some sleep. Hope I haven’t injured something. I have been benching 60kg lol.

Regarding my potential second cycle, I have decided to stick with arimidex as my AI for this cycle – I found that despite occasional sensitive nipples, I was not gyno prone. But will use it mainly for bloating. I will then use Aromasin as planned for PCT. I have also decided against an oral kickstart, and will switch from the test enathate to Test Prop for Bridge as planned.
I hope that once I start cycling again that it will help with the aches and pains.

Here is a reminder of my proposed second cycle including bridge and PCT:

[A] CYCLE – 15 weeks (Days 1 to 105)

(1) 250mg of Test Enanthate injected on Tuesday and Friday for 15 weeks
(2) 250mg of Equipose injected on Tuesday and Friday for 15 weeks
(3) 3x 20mg Anavar(Everyday from 16 days before end of cycle to end of bridge - 8 weeks max)
(4) 2x 25mg Proviron Tabs everyday (one in morning and one in afternoon)
(5) 250UI of HCG (Pregnyl) injected twice a week
(6) 0,5mg letro (arimidex) every 5 days for bloating / water retention / sore nipples

BRIDGE – 54 days

(1) 1x 150mg Pin of Test Prop every two days until Day 40 of Bridge period
(2) Continue with 3x 20mg Anavar until day 40 of bridge
(3) Continue with 2x 25mg Proviron everyday
(4) Continue with HCG at 250iu twice a week
(5) Continue with 0,5mg letro (arimidex) every 5 days if needed
(6) Then two weeks without anything before PCT – 14 days

[C] PCT – 60 days

(1) Day 1 to 60: 20mg Aromasin EOD
(2) Day 16 to 30: 50mg Clomid daily
(3) Day 30 to 60: 20mg Nolvadex daily

TOTAL CYCLE DURATION : 219 days

[D] EXTRAS

(1) Pre-workout – NO-Xplode
(2) Good Whey Protein & Glutamine Shakes
(3) Some Joint Support as well as Omega 3’s
(4) Essentiale for liver support


Shot guys.

Nate

Hi Nate. How far are you into your cycle?

Muscleaddict wrote: Hi Nate. How far are you into your cycle?

He hasn't started yet Ma

Hi MA,

Haven't started just yet, but was hoping to begin end of the month. Just did a body fat measurement and it says 14,4. You think I am okay to go for it?

Nate

In my opinion 14% is fine bud...
You will drop 2% on cycle and hit your 12%

For an ou toppie 14% is ok

That awkward moment when you get called an ou toppie by a guy who is on his second kid already!

Haha.
Last week a Varsity Cup lock called me Oom. Now that is awkward. And sad lol.

Thanks MA, lol.

Well I guess all that leaves to be said is: Let the new cycle begin!

Good stuff, keep us posted

Nate40 wrote: Haha.
Last week a Varsity Cup lock called me Oom. Now that is awkward. And sad lol.

I get called that often, I don't even look old. Must be height and size