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stanTHEman wrote: How many drops of letro would be good to keep away any estrogen side effects , 3 drops m/w/f ???

How many drinks does it take to get someone drunk? Same answer. Depends on the person and the cycle. Some people are fine with 2 drops EOD, some need much more.

Good answer MA

BTW I think 2 beers will make me stupid drunk

Well 3 drops EOD sounds like a good start to me then , and the cycle will be the beginner bulk cycle

Letro is some strong shit. Rather just keep it on hand and see how you respond to test some people don't even need it and if you are Gyno prone you'll feel it coming on it's not like BAM you've got Gyno.
If your set on running it I find 3drops twice a week enough

3 drops mondag and thursday ?? Sounds about right?? And I would rather just try and keep the estrogen low as I have herd that when estrogen is low it helps with a better recovery with PCT ??

On a bridge from the biginner bulk cycle , what option would give more size and "hardness" between tbol and winni/proviron

Adding the size will be in what you eat, and the quality of food you consume. I prefer this for bridge.

READ - Winstrol lowers Sex- Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) dramatically. Also see the Proviron profile for how it binds to SHBG instead. Using both of these compounds at the same time, will dramatically free up a huge amount of testosterone to actively cycle your bloodstream. The more free testosterone the better its activity will be.

What would the results be to start a winni/proviron test cycle for example

Winni/proviron week 1-6
Test. Week 1-12
And proviron throughout cycle
And then bride again with winni/proviron

I understand that that is a very long time on orals and it wil be very liver toxic but I'm justCurious about what the results would be from such a cycle if you are on a caloric Surplus diet and on this cycle as these two compounds free up tones of test. I cant tell you what your result will be because i am not u. But in general you can do what ever you want with any compound bulk, cut, maintain... Its the combination of diet, training and steroids that give results. If you think steroids will get you jacked quick quick, you are in for a big wake up call bro.


And just to add one more question , could you add proviron throuhout the beginner bulk cycle and what would the effects or benefits be of adding proviron to this cycle except for making it more Expensive haha. Dude go read what each compound does. Proviron

Your over complicating thing for a first cycle. Face it you are quite a small guy and you want to try and gain the most possible with as little gear possible.
Never mind that that amount of time on winny is dangerous and you'd be better going with a tbol bridge in my opinion for your goals.

Keep the beginner bulking cycle as it is on the site and if you really want to bridge go with either Winni or tbol.

Keep it simple stanTheMan. Test. Oral kickstart. Hcg on cycle. Bridge with winni or Tbol. Dont over complicate your first cycle.

Use small amout of compounds at normal range dosages. Eat alot. and train fucking hard.

Dont get caught up to much in wanting to much compounds now and so on and worrying to much about things which do not yet come into play at yout current level of the game.

If you hope to compete you need size. and a test and oral cycle will deliver that with a good diet and good pct you will keep lots of it.

You dont need to worry too much about hardness and vascularity now. Just good clean and lean gains and packing on meat

I thought you are only doing the cycle next year? Give yourself some time to learn and research this stuff in depth . No need to try and learn it all in a week.

Oky first of! Don't bom on me because as you can see that I asked!! What the results would be , I was just Curious about what the combination of compounds would do to the human body and that's that just some Curiosity and NOT! A planed cycle and yesss I am planing on running the beginner bulk cycle only in NEXT year 2015!! Not now not in this year and my diet is en check I will post it once again and my training in in check as well and I am not! Looking for a miracle cure and a get big quick fix! I put in the long hours in the kitchen and I do the hard work in the gym! I understand hou these steroids work all that I was curiose about was the effects it would have to add them together

Thanks to the ppl that help me and support you guys help a lot , you need my diet again?? Stats?? Anything like that??

Take that tone with me again and you can find another forum to spoonfeed you. If that's your attitude nobody is going to help you.

We're not going to hold your hand and do your injections for you. If you can't learn to research info for yourself and watch what the wiser senior members are doing then you nobody is going to want to help your emotionally unstable ass. Rome wasn't built in a day. You have lots of time before next year to learn and research.

Muscleaddict wrote: Take that tone with me again and you can find another forum to spoonfeed you. If that's your attitude nobody is going to help you.

We're not going to hold your hand and do your injections for you. If you can't learn to research info for yourself and watch what the wiser senior members are doing then you nobody is going to want to help your emotionally unstable ass. Rome wasn't built in a day. You have lots of time before next year to learn and research.

He missed it my brother. But i can bet you he will be back begging for help once he gets into kak on cycle.

Oky so when I am Curious about something that maybe someone on this forum might have tride , I should not ask?

And if am not allowed to ask these silly dumb questions how am I sepose to lear if I do not understand because some times you read something and do not fully anderstand it

I am her to learn from Experienced members not to be judged by them

We have a search function and a site full of info so that we can avoid having a hundred people asking the same basic questions. Willingness to learn is not the issue.

I don't like your attitude. See you in 3 days.

Howzit Guys

I have been on this forum for quite a while and learned a shit load from it, saving myself from total destruction. I am not active on the forum as I was in the beginning just reading up every day and to check what is new in this crazy fitness world of ours.

But recently it just got ridiculous, people being dicks and sarcasm.... isn't it the whole point of having a forum to help inexperienced members?

Yes they can use the search function and go read up on all the info, but firstly not everyone has the capacity to actually do this and secondly it is very easy to interpret something totally wrong. It is a open forum for the world of bodybuilding, not a site for the academics.

So yes we are going to get a shit load of stupid questions, I was one of those guys a few years back, I also got a mouthful by members because I was interpreting everything wrong, Admin gave me solid advice with some other senior members after the "pakslae" and it was forgotten. And I am not saying anyone was right or wrong in the end all of us have a shitty attitude. I just think the whole concept of open to everyone has been forgotten. And what happened on this topic was kak... by doing this new topics will decrease as not everyone is fine with getting flamed on a forum. Some people are thin skinned.

In the end if you are running a business and one of the junior employees is asking a managing member a question, he could have gotten the answer by simply going into the manuals and business practices/procedures but rather asking a managing member you get the answer specifically to your needs. And if the managing member is a Manager he will shout, be a dick and tell the guy to fuck off and go look for the answer ( the guy behind the desk with a wip ) or he can be the leader and helping the junior correctly that he can take over the role when he is experienced enough (being the guy in front and leading the pack)

Just my opinion

Roozer, the point the Mods are trying to make is that people should first read and research instead of just expect at being spoonfed.

The problem here is that a lot of people are coming here expecting a quick, instant just-add-water Men's Health cover physique. Unfortunately the instant gratification syndrome is prevalent and that's what gets the knowledgeable guys goats up.

It is quickly apparent that somebody is fishing for basicinfo having been too lazy to actually do some work. They couldn't be bothered to search, read, learn and ask INFORMED questions. There are many posts where guys have read up and here everyone is willing to help because the guys are willing to learn and listen.

Yes it is technical. Yes you ACTUALLY have to learn some physiology and develop an understanding of how and why these hormones do what they do. I'm not talking to a level of Muscle Addict, but folks like him, Oupa, Pyro, Rhino, FIllet etc take time to read,internalise and construct replies and that is why they are there and why we mere mortals should be eternally thankful

I'm of the opinion that you'd have to be a fkn idiot to want to inject /pop/sniff/suppository something which can seriously fk you up without wanting to intimately understand said compounds. Although, In my profession I see people every day take chronic meds without so much as an idea of why.

+1 Cyclo.

Hai guys , I'm back

Oky first of , I just want to apologize to all the mods and members for loosing my cool and being a dick , but in my defense I felt like I was getting a bit bombed on for being carouse about something I did not fully understand when I read it , you don't always get 100% meaning when you read something ,

I agree 100% with roozer but the past is the past and its time to move on and from now no more silly questions and only serious questions