Thoughts on over 40 cycle

Maybe I'm just thick skinned but it hurts like hell....I'll try to man-up...

Well, obviously I had the worst kind of NaCl...hehehe. No, just kidding, not that bad. Now that I know I am not tearing myself to pieces with a blunt needle I should be able to cope.

Thanks for the LINk to the article.

Any specific site for the Ipam+CJC shots? I recall reading something somewhere about "Roid gut" if you pinned IGF into the abdomen? What's up with that?

Muscleaddict wrote: Vonkprop the burning sensation is not from the needle being blunted. It is the NaCl solution in the water you are injecting that burns. Some injectable sterile water brands burn more than others, some are painless.

If my wife can do CJC+ipam shots twice a day without complaining where the needle is even blunter because of having to draw from 2 different vials I'm sure you can cope. :lol:

Read this article from the PCT section to get a better understanding of PCT and HCG use:

AAS Induced hypogonadism, the HPTA and PCT

Thanks, I've read the article on PCT and HCG which answered a few of my questions. I'm still unclear about the Ipam and CJC though. Do guys use it permanently or only while on cycle? I've not been able to find that much info on it, apart from what is on Peptide article page.

vonkprop wrote: Thanks, I've read the article on PCT and HCG which answered a few of my questions. I'm still unclear about the Ipam and CJC though. Do guys use it permanently or only while on cycle? I've not been able to find that much info on it, apart from what is on Peptide article page.

You can use it on or off cycle and stay on for as long as you want. It's basically to give you the growth hormone levels that you had as a teenager, and along with that you get the anti-aging and body recompositions benefits that make you look great. On cycle when bulking you can eat more without gaining as much body fat and post cycle it will help with retaining your gains and keeping the fat off.

GHRP6 and GHRP2 will make your retain some water which isn't ideal for everyone and they will both boost your appetite, whereas ipamorelin doesn't have those side effects. Whichever you choose you should it with CJC w/o DAC. GHRP2 will boost your HGH levels the most out of those 3 GHRPs but I also noticed the most water retention on it.

There are no known long term side effects from using any of these peptides. I would stay on them permanently if money was no object.

Muscleaddict wrote:

vonkprop wrote: Thanks, I've read the article on PCT and HCG which answered a few of my questions. I'm still unclear about the Ipam and CJC though. Do guys use it permanently or only while on cycle? I've not been able to find that much info on it, apart from what is on Peptide article page.

You can use it on or off cycle and stay on for as long as you want. It's basically to give you the growth hormone levels that you had as a teenager, and along with that you get the anti-aging and body recompositions benefits that make you look great. On cycle when bulking you can eat more without gaining as much body fat and post cycle it will help with retaining your gains and keeping the fat off.

GHRP6 and GHRP2 will make your retain some water which isn't ideal for everyone and they will both boost your appetite, whereas ipamorelin doesn't have those side effects. Whichever you choose you should it with CJC w/o DAC. GHRP2 will boost your HGH levels the most out of those 3 GHRPs but I also noticed the most water retention on it.

There are no known long term side effects from using any of these peptides. I would stay on them permanently if money was no object.

Thanks MA!!

Just got the results of the blood tests back.

Total test 11.5 nmol/l (6.1-27.1)
Free test 200.3 pmol/l (170-660)
LH 3 IE/l (1.2-8.6)

Not that great.... Would really appreciate some thoughts on this.

I finished the following cycle and PCT 6 months ago.

Test - Week 1 - 12 @ 500mg PW pinning twice weekly.
Proviron - Week 1 - 16 @ 40mg ED
Anavar - Week 8 - 16 @ 60mg ED
Adex - 0.5mg E2D right up to PCT
HCG - Week 4 - 16 - 500ui per weeks split in 2 dosages.
Ipam - 100mcg twice daily - mornings when you wake, and evenings before bed.
CJC - 100mcg twice daily - mornings when you wake, and evenings before bed.

PCT
Clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks (15 days)
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 4 weeks (30 days)
Aromasin - 20mg ED for 30 days

Complete absence of libido and wood. Not even Cialis works. Any ideas on where to go from here? Should I run another PCT or wait? This is the first time that it is taking this long to recover after a cycle.
Would really appreciate some thoughts.

go and have bloodwork done! Chances are you need to see and Endo.

Go and have blood work done.! Playing the guessing game and waiting for other opinions won't help at all because you'll get 100's of them that dont relate to you.
Once you've got your blood work done show us the results but chances are from the sounds of this thread your going to need to see an endocrinologist!

Stop guessing and do it properly

What was libido like on cycle? Testicle size ATM? I had the same problem, 2 years later on TRT. Go get the bloods done, it'll make things clearer.

Thanks guys!
Total test, free test and LH? Anything else needed?

IMO that's all for now. If you aren't experiencing any Est sides, don't bother testing for it. Chances are it's low-normal anyway. The standard testosterone blood test set will be: Total test, SHBG and free test.

Okay, have the results of the tests back.

Total testos = 9.6 (6.1-27.1)
SHBG = 40.1 (13.3-89.5)
Free testos = 166.0 (170-660)

Unfortunately they did not do LH.

Also, random glucose is up from 5.4 to 7.8 (4.1 - 7.7) since my last cycle, which is a bit of a concern. Is this due to the lower test or something else to be concerned about?

Any suggestions? I would really appreciate your thoughts on this.

No thoughts at all?

The test results do justify why you have no libido. Your test levels are that of a 70+ year old. Now to decide whether you want to attempt to fix it or go onto TRT? I wouldn't rush the decision. HPTA recovery does take longer as we get older so you could be fine if you give it time.

Your blood sugar level is bad enough to visit your doc. Get it tested again. If your glucose level is around 8 you must talk to your doc about diabetes.

Muscleaddict wrote: The test results do justify why you have no libido. Your test levels are that of a 70+ year old. Now to decide whether you want to attempt to fix it or go onto TRT? I wouldn't rush the decision. HPTA recovery does take longer as we get older so you could be fine if you give it time.

Your blood sugar level is bad enough to visit your doc. Get it tested again. If your glucose level is around 8 you must talk to your doc about diabetes.

Thanks for your advice MA. I would prefer to fix it if I can. HRT for the rest of my life is not that appealing at this stage. Seeing that it has been more than 6 months would waiting any longer make sense? I see some guys advise taking HCG or Clomid/Arimidex to try to get things on an even keel again. Any thoughts on that?

vonkprop wrote: I see some guys advise taking HCG or Clomid/Arimidex to try to get things on an even keel again. Any thoughts on that?

Yes. Even keel, are you a mariner by chance? :whistle:

I recently underwent 3 months hCG mono-therpay with the aim of that HPTA will kick-start again afterwards. After secession of hCG my bloods taken and 6 weeks after. My natural testosterone was higher than before the 3 months, but still too low for a satisfactory life. Would it of elevated had I given it another 6 weeks ? Maybe. But I am on full on TRT now. My urologist tells me there are many cases of the hCG therapy working successfully, restoring natural production.

Furk wrote:

vonkprop wrote: I see some guys advise taking HCG or Clomid/Arimidex to try to get things on an even keel again. Any thoughts on that?

Yes. Even keel, are you a mariner by chance? :whistle:

I recently underwent 3 months hCG mono-therpay with the aim of that HPTA will kick-start again afterwards. After secession of hCG my bloods taken and 6 weeks after. My natural testosterone was higher than before the 3 months, but still too low for a satisfactory life. Would it of elevated had I given it another 6 weeks ? Maybe. But I am on full on TRT now. My urologist tells me there are many cases of the hCG therapy working successfully, restoring natural production.

LOL! Even keel metaphorically speaking....

Sorry to hear that the HCG didn't work for you. There is an interesting paragraph on restoring test levels here:

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md71.htm

Should I try the HCG and Clomid as suggested in the article or go see a specialist?

How long will the hCG and clomid experiment take? I guess you can consider. Since you got these results and you have done steroids + your age I would advise a specialist. Perhaps it's just time.

Furk wrote: How long will the hCG and clomid experiment take? I guess you can consider. Since you got these results and you have done steroids + your age I would advise a specialist. Perhaps it's just time.

Well, first part would be:
4 to 8 shots of 2500 IU of HCG spaced out over a two to our week period

Second part would be:
Anti-estrogen such as clomiphene (Clomid) or an aromatase inhibitor such as anastrazole (Arimidex) After using either Clomid or Arimidex for at least 30 days gets your free testosterone and LH levels checked

Even before the last cycle my test levels were not very high so it might be futile to try to fix it. The thought of HRT scares me a bit to be honest. I assume that would be a permanent state of affairs? What does your treatment entail? I see some guys take gels or creams?

If you have the compounds on hand you might as well give it a go. But afterwards if levels aren't satisfactory, where are you going to draw the line on how long to wait? Levels might be better right after this, or 2 weeks after this, or 2 months.

Given your age don't be afraid of HRT. I'm 26 and on TRT. And I've never abused anabolic steroids. Sometimes the dice just lands a certain way I guess.

Furk wrote: If you have the compounds on hand you might as well give it a go. But afterwards if levels aren't satisfactory, where are you going to draw the line on how long to wait? Levels might be better right after this, or 2 weeks after this, or 2 months.

Given your age don't be afraid of HRT. I'm 26 and on TRT. And I've never abused anabolic steroids. Sometimes the dice just lands a certain way I guess.

Thanks Furk, much appreciated.

No problem mate, keep us updated on what you decide and how it goes. Sharing experiences always helps learning. Ciao.

I know this is an old'ish thread, but I'm just a noob trying to learn.

I am interested to know what test you were pinning, and what was the time between last pin and start of PCT?
Did you not maybe start PCT too early or too late?

I am still trying to decide if I should do a cycle or not, and shit like this scares me :dry:

vonkprop wrote: I finished the following cycle and PCT 6 months ago.

Test - Week 1 - 12 @ 500mg PW pinning twice weekly.
Proviron - Week 1 - 16 @ 40mg ED
Anavar - Week 8 - 16 @ 60mg ED
Adex - 0.5mg E2D right up to PCT
HCG - Week 4 - 16 - 500ui per weeks split in 2 dosages.
Ipam - 100mcg twice daily - mornings when you wake, and evenings before bed.
CJC - 100mcg twice daily - mornings when you wake, and evenings before bed.

PCT
Clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks (15 days)
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 4 weeks (30 days)
Aromasin - 20mg ED for 30 days

Complete absence of libido and wood. Not even Cialis works. Any ideas on where to go from here? Should I run another PCT or wait? This is the first time that it is taking this long to recover after a cycle.
Would really appreciate some thoughts.

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