Thoughts on over 40 cycle

Hi guys
I came across the following sample cycles for over 40 year olds. They don't mention applicable PCT's at all. There is so much confusing and often contradictory information available out there. I have used 3 cycles over the last 4 years with nice results. But I am now closer to 50 than to 40 and would like some more information regarding cycles specifically for guys my age. I am quite prone to gyne and test shrinkage problems so the hCG and Adex during cycle is attractive.
If you were my age and wanted to go on a relative mild course, what would you use?
I would really appreciate some feedback and suspect that quite a few guys would benefit from it.
Thanks

Sample stacks

Stack 1:
Testosterone cypionate 300 mg/w
Durabolin 300 mg/w
GH 2 iu 5/2
Adex 0.5 mg EOD
hCG 250 iu EOD

Stack 2:
Testosterone enanthate 300 mg/w
Primobolin 400 mg/w
GHRP-2 200 ug before bed 5/2
Adex 0.5 mg EOD
hCG 250 iu EOD

Stack 3:
Sustanon 400 mg/w
Deca durabolin 300 mg
Ipamorelin 200 ug before bed 5/2
GRF1-29 100 ug before bed 5/2
Letrozole 0.5 mg EOD
hCG 250 iu EOD

Stack 4:
Cypionate 300 mg/w
Anavar 30-50 mg/d
GHRP-2 200 ug before bed 5/2
Adex 0.5 mg EOD
hCG 250 iu EOD

Whats your stats ? and whats your goal ?

Hi Oupa

Thanks for your reply.

I'm 1.84m, 92 kilo's, 49 years old. My BF is about 19%, which I think is too high to start a cycle now. I have been training for 5 years. I am not in a hurry to start another cycle but am planning to do one before the end of the year, after I have sorted out my diet. I am having blood work done this week which will also influence my plans. I suspect that my testosterone is not what it used to be....

I would like to gain muscle, loose fat and just generally tone up some. It seems harder and harder these days to realize any worthwhile gains in the gym. I am not about to take stupid risks at this stage though so would really appreciate some advice.

I have used both Sustanon and Cypionate in the past, can't really say that I could tell the difference, both seemed fine. I had some sides from Deca, less from Anavar and TBol. Some joint issues with the Anavar and Tbol, not with the Deca.

A simple cycle of Test would probably serve me well, with hCG and Adex to prevent sides? The 4th stack above seems interesting although I am not sure about the GHRP-2, I've never seen that available. If boosting GH is a good idea would Ipamorelin with stack 4 (in stead of GHRP-2) not be better?

Would PCT-2 from the downloads area be sufficient?

Any advice would be appreciated!

PS: Stupid question...what is 5/2???

vonkprop wrote: A simple cycle of Test would probably serve me well, with hCG and Adex to prevent sides? The 4th stack above seems interesting although I am not sure about the GHRP-2, I've never seen that available. If boosting GH is a good idea would Ipamorelin with stack 4 (in stead of GHRP-2) not be better?

There you go, test is best. You really don't need anything else for where you're at. Maybe a dbol or tbol or test prop kick start if you can't wait 5 weeks to feel the full effects of test cyp. If you want to use peptides to boost GH then either Ipamorelin or GHRP2 along with CJC1295 w/o DAC is the way to go. Read the articles on ipam and CJC to get a better understanding on why you need CJC.

Read the sticky in the forum's PCT section as well.

I'm
47, just completed a 16wk test, Proviron, HCG cycle as endorsed by
Oupa. Most enjoyable, minimal sides, good gains for my age

Nice cycle Mack, i think at a certain age you want to leave the very suppressive stuff alone and stick with Test, EQ's, Primo etc. 19 nors at this stage i think can leave you hanging - literally in terms of recovery. I am not 40 so i could be wrong but it just seems logical.

FIllet wrote: Nice cycle Mack, i think at a certain age you want to leave the very suppressive stuff alone and stick with Test, EQ's, Primo etc. 19 nors at this stage i think can leave you hanging - literally in terms of recovery. I am not 40 so i could be wrong but it just seems logical.

U better be wrong bru Iam 59 and just come off tren Mack did u use HCG and prov only ? sorry for the jack vonkprop ...if u Gyno prone do PCT no 3...


O ok never mind I see u used test as well ....

stack 2 looks interesting ..

FIllet wrote: N19 nors at this stage i think can leave you hanging - literally in terms of recovery...

Read what he said Mike lol... in terms of anything else, Tren is best :evil:

Hi Mack
That sounds exactly like what I am after. With possibly adding Ipam and CJC (thanks Muscleaddict). Would you mind sharing your cycle?
Thanks

Hi Mike
Thanks for the info regarding PCT no 3.

How about the following, or am I getting carried away again? Would it be better leaving the Ipa & CJC for another time?

Testosterone cypionate 300 mg/week
Proviron 40-60mg/day
Ipamorelin 90mcg/day
CJC1295 w/o DAC 90mcg/day
Adex 0.5 mg EOD
hCG 250 iu EOD

PCT 3

Thanks for your thoughts guys!

Age is just a number.... :whistle: 45
or you only as old as the women you feel... :lol:

No HCG = No cycle!

vonkprop wrote: How about the following, or am I getting carried away again? Would it be better leaving the Ipa & CJC for another time?

Testosterone cypionate 300 mg/week
Proviron 40-60mg/day
Ipamorelin 90mcg/day
CJC1295 w/o DAC 90mcg/day
Adex 0.5 mg EOD
hCG 250 iu EOD

PCT 3

Thanks for your thoughts guys!

Anything less than 500mg test is a waste of a cycle if you aren't stacking it. The money on proviron could be better spent on tbol or anavar. CJC + ipam you should use at least twice a day to really notice the benefits. HCG @250IU twice a week.

Thanks, it feels like I am going round in circles all the time though.

I have done a Anavar& Proviron cycle about a year ago with which I was happy. Thought to go the Test route this time. i don't want to get that bloated look which Dbol can give you so would prefer stacking the Test with Tbol or Anavar. The Ipa & CJC seems to just complicate matters.

Some more research required.....

vonkprop wrote: The Ipa & CJC seems to just complicate matters.

Some more research required.....

Terminology wise it seems complicated yes, but actual daily usage is simple and overall health benefits is positive.

Thanks Oupa.

Given the above, how would you structure a cycle incorporating Test, Anavar, Ipa, CJC, Adex, hCG and PCT?

Would appreciate your thoughts on this if you don't mind.

Test - Week 1 - 12 @ 500mg PW pinning twice weekly.
Proviron - Week 1 - 16 @ 40mg ED
Anavar - Week 8 - 16 @ 60mg ED
Adex - 0.5mg E2D right up to PCT
HCG - Week 4 - 16 - 500ui per weeks split in 2 dosages.
Ipam - 100mcg twice daily - mornings when you wake, and evenings before bed.
CJC - 100mcg twice daily - mornings when you wake, and evenings before bed.

PCT
Clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks (15 days)
Nolvadex 20mg ED for 4 weeks (30 days)
Aromasin - 20mg ED for 30 days. If you were not gyno prone, i would run the AI's completely different.

Wow....I am impressed...thanks very much. I'm going to mull this over for a while...

Hi Oupa

Okay, I've had time to read and think a bit and have some questions. Hope you don't mind.

How long do I take the Ipam and CJC? For the 16 weeks of the cycle? The thought of taking Adex for 21 weeks is enough to make me puke!

Regarding the PCT, why no HCG or Ovidrel? Is it because of the HCG during the cycle? Would there be any benefit to taking HCG during PCT as well? Why 2 weeks of Clomid? Because of the gyno issues?

I assume 36 days from last Test Cyp pin to start of PCT.

Stupid question... last time I used HCG (might have been the IGF) the jab burnt like hell. I was using the insulin injections with fixed needles. After drawing the solution from the vial the needle was blunt from penetrating through the rubber stopper. I can't seem to get insulin injections with loose needles to enable me to swop needles after drawing up the solution. Is there a better way? Just being a pissy...

Thanks, really appreciate your time!

You can back load the insulin syringes.

Thanks, I tried that. Seemed to be a bit of a hassle trying to get the air out of the syringe and wasting solution. Maybe I just need to take more care.

What do diabetics do? Just get used to it?

mike123 wrote:

FIllet wrote: Nice cycle Mack, i think at a certain age you want to leave the very suppressive stuff alone and stick with Test, EQ's, Primo etc. 19 nors at this stage i think can leave you hanging - literally in terms of recovery. I am not 40 so i could be wrong but it just seems logical.

U better be wrong bru Iam 59 and just come off tren Mack did u use HCG and prov only ? sorry for the jack vonkprop ...if u Gyno prone do PCT no 3...


O ok never mind I see u used test as well ....

stack 2 looks interesting ..

Pics

I think you need a cup of cement Bud. HCG stings like a Bee but it's nothing to cry about and drawing and pinning with the same tiny Slin needle is hardly going to take it sharp edge off.

Vonkprop the burning sensation is not from the needle being blunted. It is the NaCl solution in the water you are injecting that burns. Some injectable sterile water brands burn more than others, some are painless.

If my wife can do CJC+ipam shots twice a day without complaining where the needle is even blunter because of having to draw from 2 different vials I'm sure you can cope. :lol:

Read this article from the PCT section to get a better understanding of PCT and HCG use:

AAS Induced hypogonadism, the HPTA and PCT

Muscleaddict wrote:
If my wife can do CJC+ipam shots twice a day without complaining where the needle is even blunter because of having to draw from 2 different vials I'm sure you can cope. :lol:

Same issues this side haha