prop, deca 100, winstrol and clen cycle

HAVOC
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06 May 2014 20:57 #167332 by HAVOC

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Hi guys

could you guys shed some light on this compounds? Good or shit?

24years, 179m, 100kgs, 20% bf.

I worked out my cals on my lean mass, and I -20% from jy cals. Need to lose fat.

any suggestions? I would really appreciate it

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Nate40
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07 May 2014 08:26 #167342 by Nate40

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Can we have a look at your programme, etc?

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gene
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07 May 2014 08:33 #167344 by gene

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Hi Havoc!

To lose fat is in your diet and cardio/weight raining!!!!
Go read the diet sticky"s.
And when you at least down to 12% .... Then you come back for compound advice!
Train hard! EAT clean and you WIL get results!

To active wat others do not have,
You must do wat others do not do!!!

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Rhino
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07 May 2014 08:59 #167346 by Rhino

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Cycling with such a high BF is a really bad idea!!
But anyway is this your first cycle? How have you set it up?
Pct?
How are you going to deal with Gyno? Because at that BF your going to get it.
Why Deca/Prop! Really bad cycle how are you going to pin ?
Have you got any caber//Dostinex or Bromo for prolactin ?

I hope you have answers for all these questions and haven't started your cycle yet or your going to be in a world of pain.

Drop the gear and use the clen with a good diet(steroids are not the answer they are not fat burners)

Go big or go home...

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Rhino
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07 May 2014 09:49 #167349 by Rhino

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Sorry I only saw now that it's Deca 100(nomads NPP) so that with prop isn't a bad cycle choice.
That's not to say that you should be doing a cycle though!

Go big or go home...

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HAVOC
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07 May 2014 09:52 #167350 by HAVOC

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Thanks for the advice

my program looks like this
chest, hiit cardio
back, abs, calves
delts and traps, hiit cardio
legs, abs
arms, hiit cardio

my previous cycle was test e and dbol for 12 weeks... got good gains...but was uninformed about pct , dieting etc,so there was no pct involved. I got sick and just let

my diet is in check now (dating a dietician) 40% prot,35%carbs 25% fat.

at rhino...I guess your right...I should leave the anabolics for now and just rely on clen and dieting....

any help would be appreciated

thanx guys!

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Oupa
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07 May 2014 15:43 #167364 by Oupa

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HAVOC wrote:
my diet is in check now (dating a dietician)

Hahaha, funny answer

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Pyroclasm
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07 May 2014 18:56 #167395 by Pyroclasm

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His goals mean everything to him, even if hes to date a couple of dieticians to get there. :lol:

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HAVOC
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07 May 2014 20:43 #167405 by HAVOC

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Oupa/Pyro

im glad i made you laugh...

but to be honest this is a big deal for me to get my body back in shape!

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Oupa
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07 May 2014 22:37 #167414 by Oupa

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Ok so start by posting your daily diet, and please dont say its in check if you need help to loose fat.

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HAVOC
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08 May 2014 16:02 #167502 by HAVOC

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Ok

I started this diet beginning of this week.

There is still a few things that i need to tweak (like the full cream milk etc), but thats why i am on this site to get more info/help...

BF-1cup oats,6 eggs,1 banana, 250ml 2%fat milk

meal- 1 whey protein shake

meal-180g chicken
1/2 cup brown rice
½ cup broccoli

meal-180g chicken
1/2 cup brown rice
½ cup broccoli

PRE-1 massbuild (nutritech massbuild), 1 teaspoon peanut butter

POST-1 massbuild (nutritech massbuild) 1 teaspoon peanut butter

Meal-90g Chicken
1 cup Broccoli
.

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Nate40
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09 May 2014 08:53 #167550 by Nate40

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Oupa how many calories you reckon this diet is?

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T-Style
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09 May 2014 09:11 #167558 by T-Style

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Not enough for his weight no.1 and mass builders will not help with "lean gains" unfortunately as the carb content in them are very high.

Eat Clean and Stay Lean!!! :-)

“Never look back unless you are planning to go that way.”
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Pyroclasm
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09 May 2014 14:25 #167637 by Pyroclasm

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HAVOC wrote: Ok

I started this diet beginning of this week.

There is still a few things that i need to tweak (like the full cream milk etc), but thats why i am on this site to get more info/help...

BF-1cup oats,6 eggs,1 banana, 250ml 2%fat milk

meal- 1 whey protein shake

meal-180g chicken
1/2 cup brown rice
½ cup broccoli

meal-180g chicken
1/2 cup brown rice
½ cup broccoli

PRE-1 massbuild (nutritech massbuild), 1 teaspoon peanut butter

POST-1 massbuild (nutritech massbuild) 1 teaspoon peanut butter

Meal-90g Chicken
1 cup Broccoli
.

The way your are eating around workout times is what is costing you everything. This is by far the most important part of the diet. No fats around workout times and leave the Mass Gainer Shakes for the braindead and clueless. Get in some fast digesting carbs post workout along with fast digesting whey protein like whey isolate with BCAA`s.

Most NB! how many calories in your diet and how many calories does your body need per day? You can find this information in the dieting stickies.

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Pyroclasm
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09 May 2014 14:41 #167647 by Pyroclasm

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Sure thing Mr. Nate

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HAVOC
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09 May 2014 14:57 #167654 by HAVOC

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@ Pyro

thanx for the info! My cals was worked out on 2600 (that is done on my lean mass and then -20% )

What would you suggest that I need to change in my diet? Im really desperate to get going again!

all the help is highly appreciated!!!!

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Pyroclasm
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09 May 2014 15:42 #167670 by Pyroclasm

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Looking at your stats and from experience I think you are at 30% bodyfat and not 20%. Sorry for the cold bucket of fuck you water. I am one of those who say it like it is. When I use 30% instead of 20% I get to maintenance of 2670cals and therefore fat loss at 2100cals. You are eating too much. It next to impossible for you to lose fat effectively eating the amount of calories you are now.

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HAVOC
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09 May 2014 16:01 #167672 by HAVOC

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Hahahaha but its reality... after my shoulder injury and ops etc I weighed 128... I came down nicely...but for the last year or so I was just fucking around...

so you would suggest aiming for 2100 cals? How would you structure my diet?

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Pyroclasm
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09 May 2014 16:05 #167673 by Pyroclasm

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That´s excellent bud well done! Diet at 2100cals and eat the right foods at the right time.

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HAVOC
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09 May 2014 16:27 #167674 by HAVOC

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Pyro

will you help me please with the right foods and the right times pleas????

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11 May 2014 14:45 #167770 by Pyroclasm

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I will help you but I won't spoonfeed you. You need to prove that you are dedicated and motivated by putting in effort. Start by reading the dieting stickies and should you have questions I am happy to help explain.

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HAVOC
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11 May 2014 15:35 #167773 by HAVOC

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Funny you said it....

I spend almost 3hours reading the stickies, I came across DJs dieting info..

Im going to follow this at 2100cals

meal 1- prot and low gi carbs
meal 2-prot and fat
meal 3-prot and fat
meal 4-prot and low gi carbs (pre w)
Meal 5-prot and high gi carbs (post w)
Meal 6- prot and fats

So im going to work on 3g prot per kg lean mass
0,5g carbs per kg lean mass
0,5g fats per kg lean mass

pyro what would you suggest for pre w carbs?

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11 May 2014 16:09 #167774 by Pyroclasm

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Try eating your pre-workout carbs 2 hours before your workout. Stick to low GI carbs. 30 mins before your workout take 15g BCAA's, caffeine, and a pre-workout if you want.

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HAVOC
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11 May 2014 18:03 #167775 by HAVOC

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Thanks a mil!!

What about post workout carbs, I know vitargo an dextrose is a good option but what else (food wise) wil work for PW carbs?

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12 May 2014 17:12 #167871 by Pyroclasm

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I always split this into two parts. First part you take immediately after gym. This is very high GI carbs like dextrose or milo or glucose, whey and BCAAs. Then when you get home you start grazing like your life depends on it. Lean protein and white carbs work well here. This is also the time you want to take any daily supplements like vitamins and medicines and such.

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