MK Progress and Cycle Log

Okay kewl I will graze 2 slices bread and 20g jam. Must I get normal and plain Sasko white bread with no trickery?

pyro,when i get back to you with your new diet tomorrow u aint gonna be eating that.

Pyroclasm wrote: Okay kewl I will graze 2 slices bread and 20g jam. Must I get normal and plain Sasko white bread with no trickery?

Even I bloat and crash from pure white bread, try Albany Rooibos & Rye - The ultimate.

But if dj says no, then its a no hey!

DJ wrote: pyro,when i get back to you with your new diet tomorrow u aint gonna be eating that.

DJ, I'd really like to get in touch regarding a diet. Quite urgently.

DJ wrote: pyro,when i get back to you with your new diet tomorrow u aint gonna be eating that.

Super!

Howsit guys

So I can feel tiny bumps under both nipples, the left one being slightly bigger, but around the size of a smaal ball bearing or a BB pellet.

I think I'm gonna start some (Biotek Liquidex) Arimidex now at 0.5mg every for 5 days, then to 0.25mg EOD for another 5 days, followed by another week at 0.25mg twice during that week.

Will this be sufficient or should I rather use more Adex for a longer period of time?

Thanks guys

So I started taking care of the gyno with 20mg Nolva each day with 0.5mg ED of Arimidex. The bumps seem to have gotten smaller but they are not gone. Should I be worried? And should I consider ordering more Arimidex in case the one I have is fake?

Other than that, the cycle is going good. Still eating like mad. Weight is at 104kgs today which I'm happy about, I don't have calipers though but I want to try and get my bodyfat accurately measured. I have picked up a little bf but I know this bulk will be worth it in the end.

Strength is up nicely too. Leg press is up to 480kgs for 8 reps for the final set. Stayed away from deadlifts this week because of lower back pain. Bench press was also up this week to 140kg for 6 reps for the final set.

All in all, I'm happy and will continue milking this cycle as much as I can.

ADD: I have ordered some Proviron which I will run at 50mg every day up until the day before PCT. I am also stopping my Tbol now and am keeping my last bottle for the final few weeks.

MK wrote: So I started taking care of the gyno with 20mg Nolva each day with 0.5mg ED of Arimidex. The bumps seem to have gotten smaller but they are not gone. Should I be worried? And should I consider ordering more Arimidex in case the one I have is fake?

Other than that, the cycle is going good. Still eating like mad. Weight is at 104kgs today which I'm happy about, I don't have calipers though but I want to try and get my bodyfat accurately measured. I have picked up a little bf but I know this bulk will be worth it in the end.

Strength is up nicely too. Leg press is up to 480kgs for 8 reps for the final set. Stayed away from deadlifts this week because of lower back pain. Bench press was also up this week to 140kg for 6 reps for the final set.

All in all, I'm happy and will continue milking this cycle as much as I can.

ADD: I have ordered some Proviron which I will run at 50mg every day up until the day before PCT. I am also stopping my Tbol now and am keeping my last bottle for the final few weeks.

could update mate

TBH, if the lumps are still there, I woukd much rather see you getting your hands on some letrozole as oppossed to arimidex and this should sort out the gyno once and for all. Other than that, you seem to be making very good size and strength gains mate. best of luck for the rest of the cycle!!!

Do you mind explaining why I should rather get Letro GSP?

I was under the impression that Letro gets rid of ALL estrogen in the body? And I know that we need some estrogen levels for gains to continue? Also I'm really not keen on the bad sides that I've heard about from Letrozole, let alone the 2 week period I'll have to wait before it begins to work properly.

I'm not rejecting your advice bro, I would just like to understand why you'd recommend it

MK wrote: Do you mind explaining why I should rather get Letro GSP?

I was under the impression that Letro gets rid of ALL estrogen in the body? And I know that we need some estrogen levels for gains to continue? Also I'm really not keen on the bad sides that I've heard about from Letrozole, let alone the 2 week period I'll have to wait before it begins to work properly.

I'm not rejecting your advice bro, I would just like to understand why you'd recommend it

No problem dude, as this is a valid question. I would say that if you were experiencing the initial signs of gyno (i.e. itchy and sensitive nipples) that the introduction of some adex would have been enough to drop estrogen levels sufficiently to a point where these symptoms would disappear. However, it seems your gyno has progressed to the point where you developed lumps under your nipples and, according to my understanding of gyno progression, the introduction of the more robust letro will be a much more effective way of ensuring that the tissue build up under your nipples is reversed completely. It is currently evident that while your body has responded to the introduction of the adex by the reduction of the lumps under your nipples, it seems that the compound is not completely reversing the initial tissue build up.

I must reiterate that this is just my layman's understanding of the use of arimidex over letro and vice versa and I am hoping perhaps that more knowledgable members such as MA or admin could jump in on this discussion.

Ok cool thank you for that explanation bud, have some karma for that

Yeah, maybe I should do a little researching before I make any more orders. Thank you very much GSP, hopefully MA or Admin will comment further.

MK wrote: Ok cool thank you for that explanation bud, have some karma for that

Yeah, maybe I should do a little researching before I make any more orders. Thank you very much GSP, hopefully MA or Admin will comment further.

No problem bud, a bit of broscience from my side and I am hoping that we can get a more authoritative answer!!! But, as mentioned, it seems adex is more preventative as opposed to being reactive when it comes to gyno.

When it comes to gyno 00Pump is your guy. Awesome progress there mate! I would think that as long as the bumps are getting smaller that means they are under control which is all you are looking for. I wouldn't throw away gains without having a very good reason. But Pump or Admin will definately be able to give you an answer.

Hey Mk

I'm gyno prone so I've been on 2 drops of letro every day of my cycle for the past 9 weeks. I've had no gyno issues and no sides. I've gone from 113kg with 15 percent bf and am currently 117with 13 percent body fat, so it hasn't affected my gains at all.

Just my 2 cent mate, were all different

Ian79 wrote: Hey Mk

I'm gyno prone so I've been on 2 drops of letro every day of my cycle for the past 9 weeks. I've had no gyno issues and no sides. I've gone from 113kg with 15 percent bf and am currently 117with 13 percent body fat, so it hasn't affected my gains at all.

Just my 2 cent mate, were all different

yoh, how tall are you? 13 % bodyfat at 117kgs is big!

Hey quite tall 187cm

Thanks guys appreciate the help, will look at getting some Letro as soon as I can, but will keep an eye on these bumps. To be honest, the feel a bit smaller than yesterday but that could just be my mind screwing with me. Hopefully things go well.

Just a small update. Weight seems to have stagnated at around 103/104kgs but my diet has not been too great this week because of priorities.

PLEASE READ THIS:
I finished my week's worth of Nolva @ 20mg every day with 0.5mg of Adex every day, and am nearly finished the 2nd week of Adex at 0.25mg every day. The lumps seemed to get a bit smaller when I was using the Nolva, but now their size decrease has stopped even though I'm tapering off the Adex. Donno if it's fake or not at this stage.

Ive also been doing some research about the Letro and the sources I've come across make out that Letro will not be effective in removing the small lumps, so I'm not sure what to do and to be quite honest I'm getting quite scared. I just read the "nipples" thread and read pyroclasm's comment about these lumps being potentially Cancerous. This has freaked me out to the point where I can't sleep as my father died from lung cancer a few years ago, although he was a smoker for 2 decades. The lumps are not directly behind the nipples but behind the areoles. Do I need to see a doctor or is there anything I can do to help myself? Thanks in advance.

Bro don't panic.

I've had those lumps before and letro defiantly worked for me. I even had them years ago on a depatron cycle I did while in matric. And then it was just all the rugby players doing it and we new nothing about PCT(young and dumb...) it took some time and even without an al once my hormones finally went back to normal they dissapeared.
Pump would obviously no more but as long as breast tissue hasn't formed the bumps will go with letro

Good luck Man
Get some sleep

MK wrote: Just a small update. Weight seems to have stagnated at around 103/104kgs but my diet has not been too great this week because of priorities.

PLEASE READ THIS:
I finished my week's worth of Nolva @ 20mg every day with 0.5mg of Adex every day, and am nearly finished the 2nd week of Adex at 0.25mg every day. The lumps seemed to get a bit smaller when I was using the Nolva, but now their size decrease has stopped even though I'm tapering off the Adex. Donno if it's fake or not at this stage.

Ive also been doing some research about the Letro and the sources I've come across make out that Letro will not be effective in removing the small lumps, so I'm not sure what to do and to be quite honest I'm getting quite scared. I just read the "nipples" thread and read pyroclasm's comment about these lumps being potentially Cancerous. This has freaked me out to the point where I can't sleep as my father died from lung cancer a few years ago, although he was a smoker for 2 decades. The lumps are not directly behind the nipples but behind the areoles. Do I need to see a doctor or is there anything I can do to help myself? Thanks in advance.

dude, i had these lumps before and effectively treated them with letro. As mentioned, adex wont result in gyno reversal as it is to weak. The sooner you get yourself on some letro the better. And no these lumps are not cancerous and these are probably not the first time u have them. Many young males develop these lumps behind their nipples whislt undergoing puberty when our hormones are all over the place. For nearly all of us they dissapear; however, for some they stick around and hence we have guys who develop gyno without even touching aas.

I suggest you chill out dude, stay on the nolva and get letro asap.

Thank you so much guys for the reassurance - best news I've heard all week!

Will get my hands on some Nolva and Letro ASAP. Should I just run another week of Nolva @ 20mg, or longer than a week?

Just a quick question about the Letro - I can only get it in pill form, and the pills/tabs are 2.5mg each. How many of them should I take per day, and for how long? I'm just a bit confused because I know everyone here gets the dropper Letro so I'm unsure of the correct dosage and duration for the Letro.

Really appreciate the help guys!

MK wrote: Thank you so much guys for the reassurance - best news I've heard all week!

Will get my hands on some Nolva and Letro ASAP. Should I just run another week of Nolva @ 20mg, or longer than a week?

Just a quick question about the Letro - I can only get it in pill form, and the pills/tabs are 2.5mg each. How many of them should I take per day, and for how long? I'm just a bit confused because I know everyone here gets the dropper Letro so I'm unsure of the correct dosage and duration for the Letro.

Really appreciate the help guys!

I would stay on the nolva until you get your letro. When i developed those lumps i basically used letro for a week dosing at 0.25mg the first day. 0.5mg the second day and increased my dosaage by 0.5mg per day for five days till i got to 2.5mg. lumps were gone at day 4 already but i continued to run the letro for another three additional days.

Thanks once again GSP, have some Karma for your help!

Shit, that will be so hard trying the break the pill into a 1/10th of its original size. I think I'm just gonna have to keep looking to see if I can get Letro drops.

So just to clear things up, I will run the Letro as follows:

Day 1: 0.25mg
Day 2: 0.5mg
Day 3: 1mg
Day 4: 1.5mg
Day 5: 2mg
Day 6: 2.5mg
Day 7: 2.5mg
Day 8: 2.5mg
Day 9: 2.5mg

All the best

MK wrote: Thanks once again GSP, have some Karma for your help!

Shit, that will be so hard trying the break the pill into a 1/10th of its original size. I think I'm just gonna have to keep looking to see if I can get Letro drops.

So just to clear things up, I will run the Letro as follows:

Day 1: 0.25mg
Day 2: 0.5mg
Day 3: 1mg
Day 4: 1.5mg
Day 5: 2mg
Day 6: 2.5mg
Day 7: 2.5mg
Day 8: 2.5mg
Day 9: 2.5mg

All the best

thats pretty much how i did it based on advice i got from my old supplier. He wasnt the most legit of guys but it worked for me. i still wish someone more knowledgable could advise on the letro dosage for gyno reversal. As for the pills, if im not mistaken, wudnt u be able to disolve four of them (10mg) in 100ml water which would mean you would have a solution of 0.1mg of letro/ml? You could then use an insulin syringe to administer ur dosage.

Sounds like a good idea in theory, but I wonder if that will actually be effective in reality. Should I maybe open up a new thread?