Short ester cycle

MCJ wrote:

GSP wrote:

MCJ wrote: Thanx was just wondering as I have read they are similar and also that too much dht turns out to be a waste. Like I said before have never used masteron so still learning that one. Also like I've mentioned I've only done long heavy androgenic cycles so with that I'm fine and all about AI's lol. Just new to the shorter cycles with short esters. I have no problem in admitting my lack of knowledge on short esters.

@Gorilla...will be using clen and yohimbine pre cycle to get bodyfat low before I hit the cycle.

no worries bro...was not questioning ur knowledge on AI's at all. Just remmeber reading an intersting article where i think it was william llewellyn who stated that when running test and a nor derivative, one may be able to counter both progesteron and estrogen related gyno by running an anti-estrogen alone. However, he did say that heavier cycles would require anicllaries to combat both etrogen and prolactin.

i think u will love masteron if u wullig to spend that little extra on the compound.

I seem to be lucky with regard to progesterone sides. So far. (Touch wood)

Yeah very keen on the Masteron. I have already got the 3 x NPP I will be needing. But I do admit 4 x Masteron is steep on the pocket especially considering I still need 6 x Test prop as well. But I have loads of time. Hoping for Jan/Feb or march at the latest

That is a sweet cycle. however, just rememberd something now which may throw a spanner in the works. Have u ever considered running a test prop/npp/winstrol cycle. Before I get lambasted for the winnie, I seem to remember that winstrol is brilliant with nor derivatives as it binds onto progesteron receptors, therefore miigating the chance of getting prolactin rleated side effects. So you basically have a strong androgen which will also act as a prolactin antagonist on this cycle. Also, the winnie may be easier on the pocket but the only problem I foresee is the length of the cycle as i doubt anyone would run winstrol for an eight week period at an elevated dose.

Yeah, feel on you on the progesteron related sides. One word of cuation though is that sometimes the body does react differentlt to shorter esters, particualry if higher dosages are run.

I hear u on the winny, but wouldn't Masteron do the same as its also a dht derivative like winstrol? Or has it got nothing to do with that? Also the cycle will be 10 weeks in order to get maximum effect from the NPP so that long period of winny will be lekker harsh.

Was also thinking about maybe Anavar instead of masteron. Haven't used that either before. But still researching that one and so far Masteron still gets my vote (for the limited knowledge I have lol)

MCJ wrote: I hear u on the winny, but wouldn't Masteron do the same as its also a dht derivative like winstrol? Or has it got nothing to do with that? Also the cycle will be 10 weeks in order to get maximum effect from the NPP so that long period of winny will be lekker harsh.

Was also thinking about maybe Anavar instead of masteron. Haven't used that either before. But still researching that one and so far Masteron still gets my vote (for the limited knowledge I have lol)

Nope, apparently only winstrol has that property. Yeah, 10 weeks on winnie is going to be killer and masteron will be the more effect, albeit more expensive option. I am not a big fan of oxandolone to be honest and only ever really experienced strenth gains when using it. That said, i ran an anavar sustanon cycle about 6 years ago when i knew little about the correct use of AAS and correct nutrition. One thing I can bear testament too though is that anavr is only really going to be effective at a dosage of around 60mg/day minimum. And even though its les hepatoxic than dbol and winnie, i still wundt feel comfortable running any oral for a 10 week period due to possible adverse effects on the liver. Whats will your be pct be on this cycle for interests sake. When running orals, it should also be noted that nolvadex is also quite hepatoxic so effectively you could be puuting your liver under strain for about 14 weeks straight if u continue with the anavar

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