Short ester cycle

Hi guys

Seeing as I'm sick for so long and probably won't train for another couple of weeks at least I have decided to stop the brige and go straight to pct.

Next cycle I'm planning it to be short esters. I need some help with this as I mainly only use long esters. I have quite a bit of winstrol tabs left, LP clen dropper and Oraltec clen tabs. Obviously Test prop will be the preferred test. And hopefully the GW tabs would have been released by then.

My question is, what can I add to the winny, test prop and clen and how would I structure it? I have used NPP before and had great results however most guys seem to say real gains only start around week 8. Want the cycle to be 8-10 weeks. What about tren ace or masteron prop? Would kickstarting with OT be an option as well? So many questions I know. Just bare with me. Like I said I've only done long cycles.

Sure I can get many of the answers on the net but I come here first and foremost as all the answers are generally here.

Thanx and regards

Hi mcj!

Ek weet jy like my nie maar ja! :lol:

Wat is jou goals en jou budget?

Nee man jys cool, don't stress.

Leaner gains and strength is di goal.

No hoekom try jy nie npp,prop,masteron/proviron nie?

Kan mens masteron prop die hele 8 weke gebruik?

Test prop eod
NPP 300-450mg/week
Masteron????
Proviron???

Ek neem aan as ek Masteron gebruik dan sal eki winstrol nodig he ni?

Ek scheme 2 dht deritaves gaan jou joints looi...

Maybe kan dj help, hy het noudidag so kort cycle van npp,prop,masteron en tbol voorgestel vir megusta...

Ek dink ook nie jy hoef masteron EN proviron te run nie want dj se masteron is soos proviron op steroids en muscleaddict se masteron verlaag ook SHBG...

Ek sien geen rede hoekom jy nie masteron vir 8 weke kan run nie? Miskien weet jy beter?

Nee ou ek weeti van beter ni.

Bulking was maar altyd my ding. Total virgin met leaner cycles en short esters. Het al NPP saam Deca gerun as n kickstart tot di deca inskop maar nog noot masteron of proviron.

Sal wag en hoop muscleaddict sien hierdi of miskien Admin, Pump en JR

Dankie vir di info broer

I like that TestProp/NPP/Masteron Prop cycle(10 weeks) - ive been looking at it myself. Maybe with a nice frontload for the first 2 weeks.
Throw the Winstrol in there week 10/11/12.

mmmmmm - think i'll start the long ester version - this week...

Thanx JR.

What dosage should Masteron Prop be used per week? Eod shots or what is the protocol? Also whould / could I add clen to this or keep it for after cycle?

Tough one with the winny vs masteron since you already have winny. But masteron will make you look even harder than winny will if you are lean, plus no joint pain, plus you actually feel good on it, and no toxicity, and its something new to try. Thats a lot in its favour. Both winny and masteron bind to shbg and increase free test. You could run both. No reason why not. 1 DHT is fine but if winny is the only liver toxic aas you are running and have cash to splash then you will recomp the fcuk out of your body.

I assume your bf% will be pretty low?

Test prop 150 eod, NPP 100 eod (or 0.7ml pgw npp), masteron prop 100 to 150 eod for 10 weeks if I were you. Winny you could throw in at the end for turbo recomp. Oral kickstart not necessary imo and since you mentioned masteron I assume big gains aren't the primary goal.

I've gotten good results off 400mg/week axio mastaplex so I'd assume PGW at 100 eod would be sufficient. I did lose quite a bit of hair though.

Muscleaddict wrote: Tough one with the winny vs masteron since you already have winny. But masteron will make you look even harder than winny will if you are lean, plus no joint pain, plus you actually feel good on it, and no toxicity, and its something new to try. Thats a lot in its favour. Both winny and masteron bind to shbg and increase free test. You could run both. No reason why not. 1 DHT is fine but if winny is the only liver toxic aas you are running and have cash to splash then you will recomp the fcuk out of your body.

I assume your bf% will be pretty low?

Test prop 150 eod, NPP 100 eod (or 0.7ml pgw npp), masteron prop 100 to 150 eod for 10 weeks if I were you. Winny you could throw in at the end for turbo recomp. Oral kickstart not necessary imo and since you mentioned masteron I assume big gains aren't the primary goal.

I've gotten good results off 400mg/week axio mastaplex so I'd assume PGW at 100 eod would be sufficient. I did lose quite a bit of hair though.

sounds like a winner to me.. something ill look at for my next cycle too in the new year, but i plan to run it with the ipam + cjc too, (looking for the healing properties for a shoulder injury, the fat loss and slow lean gains will be a bonus)

MA what would you think of running the peptides for 6 months, 200-300mcg ed .. start it with a short 8-10 week cycle as above (test prop, npp an mast), do pct and have a break, then the last 8-10 weeks of the peptide cycle (6months) run another similar short cycle,

so essentially 2 short cycles in the time ill run the peptides,

just a thought?? lean mass attack will be crazy

MCJ wrote: Thanx JR.

What dosage should Masteron Prop be used per week? Eod shots or what is the protocol? Also whould / could I add clen to this or keep it for after cycle?

1.5 ml TestProp - 150mg
1 ml NPP - 150mg
1ml Masteron Prop - 100mg.

EOD. I'd run the dose higher for the first 2 weeks. Think 1.5-2 weeks is plenty frontload to get to your peak dosage.
Throw the Clen in if you want - personal choice. I dont like the stuff but nothing wrong with it.

Thanx for the replies guys

Can I ask one more favor? I'm sick in bed and really don't have the brain capacity for maths at the moment. (Using that as excuse as I suck at maths anyway lol).
How many vials of each would I need for the cycle?

Ill keep the winny and run it for a few weeks with the clen to get lean enough before I hit the above mentioned cycle.

@PoisonedPulse Sounds good. I plan to do something similar with the peptides. Amped!

@MCJ 6x Test prop, 3x NPP, 4x Masteron which leaves a bit over for a frontload.

Sounds great mcj!

What diet you gonna do while on this cycle?

Hmm lekker expensive. Will have to find myself a sugarmommy cougar hehe.

@Gorilla....the guy who trains Louis Bessinger is helping me with training and diet. Did his diet for 4 weeks prior to getting sick and saw nice results. Same with the training. Changed my whole approach to training. Doing much lighter weights but with extra intensity. Easier on my joints and feel I'm getting a better workout. But then I got sick so can't actually say too much about it

Well I've got the 3 x NPP so far

I was wondering if I could add proviron to this proposed Test Prop/NPP/Mast Prop cycle? Proviron and Masteron are both DHT based so not sure if this would work.

Planning to get rid of my winstrol and get proviron instead. I have also never used proviron before.

So what's the final cycle now?

Proviron and masteron are similar, but I think masteron is superior...

Maybe switch to proviron and winny in the 2 weeks before pct??

Will you be adding clen??

MCJ wrote: I was wondering if I could add proviron to this proposed Test Prop/NPP/Mast Prop cycle? Proviron and Masteron are both DHT based so not sure if this would work.

Planning to get rid of my winstrol and get proviron instead. I have also never used proviron before.

overkill on the dht mate; the only thing that is going to suffer is your john as you will walking around with a boner all day. (jokes) Seriously, I would say that you good to go with prop/npp/masteron. I see no point in adding proviron whatsoever as all the benefits from compound would be derived off from the masteron.

However, as you running test and nor simultaneously, i strongly recommend getting an ai on this cycle. I read a study where one can counter both estrogen and progesteron-related gyno on a relatively moderate dosed cycle by ensuring that estrogen is kept at a minumum.

Thanx was just wondering as I have read they are similar and also that too much dht turns out to be a waste. Like I said before have never used masteron so still learning that one. Also like I've mentioned I've only done long heavy androgenic cycles so with that I'm fine and all about AI's lol. Just new to the shorter cycles with short esters. I have no problem in admitting my lack of knowledge on short esters.

@Gorilla...will be using clen and yohimbine pre cycle to get bodyfat low before I hit the cycle.

MCJ wrote: Thanx was just wondering as I have read they are similar and also that too much dht turns out to be a waste. Like I said before have never used masteron so still learning that one. Also like I've mentioned I've only done long heavy androgenic cycles so with that I'm fine and all about AI's lol. Just new to the shorter cycles with short esters. I have no problem in admitting my lack of knowledge on short esters.

@Gorilla...will be using clen and yohimbine pre cycle to get bodyfat low before I hit the cycle.

no worries bro...was not questioning ur knowledge on AI's at all. Just remmeber reading an intersting article where i think it was william llewellyn who stated that when running test and a nor derivative, one may be able to counter both progesteron and estrogen related gyno by running an anti-estrogen alone. However, he did say that heavier cycles would require anicllaries to combat both etrogen and prolactin.

i think u will love masteron if u wullig to spend that little extra on the compound.

very interested in this thread, looking at test prop/npp/ and masteron prop too for a short cycle in jan, will be watching closely

GSP wrote:

MCJ wrote: Thanx was just wondering as I have read they are similar and also that too much dht turns out to be a waste. Like I said before have never used masteron so still learning that one. Also like I've mentioned I've only done long heavy androgenic cycles so with that I'm fine and all about AI's lol. Just new to the shorter cycles with short esters. I have no problem in admitting my lack of knowledge on short esters.

@Gorilla...will be using clen and yohimbine pre cycle to get bodyfat low before I hit the cycle.

no worries bro...was not questioning ur knowledge on AI's at all. Just remmeber reading an intersting article where i think it was william llewellyn who stated that when running test and a nor derivative, one may be able to counter both progesteron and estrogen related gyno by running an anti-estrogen alone. However, he did say that heavier cycles would require anicllaries to combat both etrogen and prolactin.

i think u will love masteron if u wullig to spend that little extra on the compound.

I seem to be lucky with regard to progesterone sides. So far. (Touch wood)

Yeah very keen on the Masteron. I have already got the 3 x NPP I will be needing. But I do admit 4 x Masteron is steep on the pocket especially considering I still need 6 x Test prop as well. But I have loads of time. Hoping for Jan/Feb or march at the latest

PoisonedPulse wrote: very interested in this thread, looking at test prop/npp/ and masteron prop too for a short cycle in jan, will be watching closely

Cool mate! Don't be shy to share some interesting info if u happen to stumble upon any :lol: