Cycle advice

Hi

I am 42 years old, 74 kg, 10% body fat, exercise 8 to 10 hours per week (gym, cycling, yoga) and eat quite well (5+ meals with high protein and no junk). I am looking to gain and hold onto 3 to 5 kg of weight while keeping fat at or below 10%. Also, I am keen to avoid acne at any cost - I had a breakout in 1st cycle and since done a course of accutane.

I am thinking of the following:

1-12 test e 500 mg/wk
1-12 mast e 300 mg/wk
1-12 arimidex .5 mg every third day - very expensive so hoping to stick to 1 box of 30 tabs
1-12 anavar 50 mg/day

pct

Wait 30 days then do PCT 2 from anabiolicsteroids.co.za site (clomid, nolvadex, hcg)

Apart from any other advice, i have a few questions:

What are your views on enanthanate vs. propionate. I would like to limit frequency of injections but also not sure if it would be better to have shorter acting esters and start pct sooner

Is masteron ok if i am acne prone. If not what else could i use. Maybe primobolan?


Thanks,
Duncan

Previous cycle history?

My 1st cycle was a year ago. I had deca sustanon and dianabol with nolvadex and later switched to proviron. Other than dianabol at 4 tabs per day, i am not sure what doses as my trainer was administering it. I gained 6 to 8 kg but a year later have held onto 4. I broke out with acne right at the end of the 12 week cycle.

That is a very bad PCT bro! No Nolvadex, no HCG, and Provion= steroid so it should not be used in PCT. The reason why you made so little gains tells me something, and then the reason why you lost 50% of your gains tells me another- your test levels are shot! If I were you I would redo PCT and definately leave steroids alone before you get properly educated.

The nolvadex and proviron were during the cycle. Pct was nolvadex, clomid, hcg.

Its better more experienced guys give you advice but to my knowledge test prop kicks in faster than test E but requires injections EOD(shorter half life) whilst test E can be pinned once or twice a week(more stable blood levels)eg monday and thursday but i believe that whichever testosterone you choose overall gains will be the same...

As for the anavar being run week 1-12 i dont think ppl will recommend that, i see most guys run winny or anavar ed from week 12 until you start pct(bridging), like weeks 13-16 and that way you dont have to worry about the waiting time to pct as your body will stay anabolic...

Thanks. So anavar week 13 to 16 and wait 2 days before pct?

i know anavar is a weak oral but yea i dont think 12 weeks is a good idea... My whole thing is i wouldnt want to wait 30 days till pct on nothing but the test which is dying down week by week, rather use something like anavar or winny(cheaper) at 50mgs ED to harden and solidify gains...

but this is purely what i have learned on the forum i have yet to do my first cycle...

EDIT- I see you are only looking at gaining 1 to 1.5kgs a month! everyones going to tell you to do that naturally< i seriously dont believe you need AAS for that...

Mr T wrote: Its better more experienced guys give you advice but to my knowledge test prop kicks in faster than test E but requires injections EOD(shorter half life) whilst test E can be pinned once or twice a week(more stable blood levels)eg monday and thursday but i believe that whichever testosterone you choose overall gains will be the same...

As for the anavar being run week 1-12 i dont think ppl will recommend that, i see most guys run winny or anavar ed from week 12 until you start pct(bridging), like weeks 13-16 and that way you dont have to worry about the waiting time to pct as your body will stay anabolic...

No Anavar needs to be run for atleast 6 weeks to get any real benefits from it. You are right about the pinning schedule.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Mr T wrote: Its better more experienced guys give you advice but to my knowledge test prop kicks in faster than test E but requires injections EOD(shorter half life) whilst test E can be pinned once or twice a week(more stable blood levels)eg monday and thursday but i believe that whichever testosterone you choose overall gains will be the same...

As for the anavar being run week 1-12 i dont think ppl will recommend that, i see most guys run winny or anavar ed from week 12 until you start pct(bridging), like weeks 13-16 and that way you dont have to worry about the waiting time to pct as your body will stay anabolic...

No Anavar needs to be run for atleast 6 weeks to get any real benefits from it. You are right about the pinning schedule.

well then would you run it on cycle or as a bridge?

Mr T wrote: EDIT- I see you are only looking at gaining 1 to 1.5kgs a month! everyones going to tell you to do that naturally< i seriously dont believe you need AAS for that...

Is that just 1 -1.5 kg of body weight(including fat weight) or solid lean muscle? from my experience (10years lifting) i have found that a person that's been training for a few years can only put on about 100-150g muscle per month naturally and even then your diet should be close to perfect! When i was a newbie i use to gain between 1kg per month for about 2 years and then it stopped.

On the other hand maybe i'm just screwed! :dry:

O okay thats hectic im really not looking forward to that! lol

Hey duncan, are you gyno prone?

If not 300mg mast per week should keep gyno in check hey...

I would gooi the anavar for 8 weeks - work back 2 days before pct then start anavar, its not that toxic and I know guys who take anavar only cycles for 16 weeks +....

just take a good liver support supp...

gorilla wrote: I would gooi the anavar for 8 weeks - work back 2 days before pct then start anavar,

Huh?

Eidolon wrote:

gorilla wrote: I would gooi the anavar for 8 weeks - work back 2 days before pct then start anavar,

Huh?

Think he meens to start the anavar 8 weeks and 2days before pct starts

Thanks. That makes sense.

Am wondering about doing primo instead of masteron. My body fat is low enough but read that masteron is more likely to cause acne. Any thoughts on this?

Exactly what Gorilla said bud start Anavar @60mg ED 8 weeks before PCT starts so you will need to work back to calculate when to start. In essence you will start the Anavar a couple of weeks before the bridging period starts. Anavar takes a while to reach peak concentrations and to start to kick in.

I have been trying to integrate all the info i have gotten and revised cycle as follows

Main cycle
1-12 test cypionate 500 mg/wk - couldn't get pure enanthate from my guy
1-12 primobolan enanthanate 300 mg/wk - switched from masteron as read it is less likely to cause acne
1-12 arimidex .5 mg eod
Bridge
8-16 anavar 50 - 60 mg/day - will see how liver handles
pct
30 days after week 12 for 37 days
Day 1 to 7 clomid 2x50mg/day
Day 8 to 37 nolvadex 20mg/day
Day 8 to 26 hcg 500iu/day eod

Any final comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Will be placing order next week.

Anavar is mild on the liver so don't be scared to bump it up to 80mg eventually. Just run liver support throughout your cycle but you should know this by now. You will need to run the Arimidex through to PCT if I am not mistaken, otherwise you could get gyno in your bridge. I wouldn't run it in the first couple of weeks. What are your stats? Age, height, weight, BF%, years of training, etc.. And most importantly post your diet

Thanks. I am 42, 74 kg, 1.72m, trained for over 10 years but last 2 with a personal trainer. Currently do ypga on mon. Gym on tues to fri and cycle on sun. Typical diet mon to fri is as follows:

4:30am pre workout drink with 40g protein (vegan mix with balanced amino combo as allergic to dairy and all types of whey) plus low gi carb + bcaa
6:30am post workout drink with 30g protein (egg white and 'Carnivore' meat based protein powder) plus bcaa
8am breakfast with 2 eggs, 2 rye toast and 1 portion of low fat back bacon
10am 20 to 40g of vegan protein powder
12pm 2 portions of meat plus 1 portion starch and 1 portion vegetables
3pm tuna, egg and vegetable or pulse salad
5:30 pm chicken sandwich
7:30 pm 1 portion meat plus 1 portion starch and 1 portion vegetables

Weekends are harder to maintain but follow similar routine

Try and restrict starch to only your pre and post workout meals, replace the rest of them with fats(plant) like nuts or peanut butter or even extra virgin oil! Your callorie intake is too low.

I have been given advice on pct and in cycle support that seems contrary to what i have read here. Been told to start pct 2 weeks after last test c shot and start hcg during my cycle. Any views on this?

Dude go read here- www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

Cyp half life is 12days, that meens after 36days the test levels will be low enough to start pct!

Go kick who ever told you 2weeks in the nuts:silly:

Hcg can be ran in the cycle but I don't think its necessary for yours, I'm also not sure about the protocol! Maybe some of the more experienced guys can comment.

Thanks. That is what i had thought as had read that post.

Howzit guys

cycles...
could someone please put this together if possible and give a bit of suggestions around it..

cypionate
test propionate
testiviron
equipose
deca 100

what else,can you combine it seems like alot of tests, but i really dont know what combination..

thanks