advice needed

And have only run an 8 week cycle of Testen 300mg per week before, and am currently 4 days out from finishing PCT. The only libido issues I have had were from Nolvadex, but otherwise on cycle it was the exact opposite. Also a bit concerned, a few weeks in on that cycle I started getting sick and one day had hectic fever symptoims even though it was 300mg per week of Test E without an oral kicker or anything. Does that mean I'll get Test flu every time?

Thanks bro, couldn't have done it without DJ's help though. He was the one who suggested the cycle. As long as you are eating enough carbs and of good sources, you should grow - no doubt bud. Let us know when you start your cycle and post up some pics so we can see how you transform

Yeah I definitely think I'll be contacting him for a good diet when the time comes. Will do, thanks for your help! I don't think you saw in my last past on this thread my concerns of what I think was Test Flu that I got whilst running 300mg Test E per week. Started feeling really bad with general flu symptoms, then one day I just crashed hard with feverish symptoms and could barely move at one stage. Then the next day I felt normal and nothing else happened after that... Was that Test Flu that I experienced and if so, does this mean I am prone to it in a way and have to expect it for every time I use Test?

Sorry not sure bud but may differ fromm person to person. I only experienced that on my first cycle of test only but didn't get it the second time around. Maybe one of the more experienced users could give you a straight answer with the regards to the flu like symptoms bro

Alright thanks bro, just really want to avoid that from happening again. The test flu made me feel so unmotivated to train or eat and felt bad for days, so want to avoid that next cycle. Will be taking 2000mg Vitamin C and 9000mg fish oils ED on cycle, would the Vit C help prevent test flu by any chance? Or how else can it be avoided, as I know it has something to do with the spike of test levels in your blood.

I've always taken Vit C, since I started training and whenever I feel a cold coming on just up the dose a bit and that seems to help. Just not sure if it will be the case with test flu though. Did this happen to you on both of your cycles bud?

Only run the one cycle of Test E 300mg for 8 weeks. I did bump the dose up to 500mg per week a few weeks in for around 3 weeks or so, maybe that had something to do with it? Yeah, will definitely be taking Vit C religiously from now on, even off cycle. If you had a choice, would you run 10-12 weeks of Supertest @ 640mg EW or would you choose something with NPP in it for a second cycle. I really want to pick of strength and size, size particularly in my legs but everywhere else too. But really want to avoid looking like the michelin man from being bloated. An option that come to my mind include 5 weeks of 300mg NPP and 7 weeks of 450mg Test Prop. Or like you recommended, 500mg Test E for 12 weeks with 300mg NPP for 10 weeks.

My only concern is running as harsh a substance as NPP in a second cycle. Want as much lean mass as possible, and if that means a few kgs less of water retention that will make me even happier. Obviously diet will be spot on, just want the best results that will match my goals. What do you think?

300mg NPP for 5 weeks is not enough. You will need an extra bottle. Rather get an extra bottle and run 375mg/week for 8 weeks. Since you haven't used a nandrolone before I'd highly recommend keeping cabaser on hand incase you are sensitive to progestin gyno. Its a big risk to take. Also, if you are taking cabaser you can run test at a lower dose than without it. Nandrolone kills libido and causes 'deca-dick' because of its high affinity for the progesterone receptor. When levels of progestins get too high you get limp dick or gyno. Cabaser prevents both.

Just run the test longer than the NPP as david.Biohazard advised. Test E is fine if you are using an AI. For a 2nd cycle 1.5ml/week (450mg) test E with the NPP will give good results.

+1. Thanks for all that muscleaddict, really helped clear many things up. I am still in the process of choosing a next cycle, which is why I'm asking around and keeping my options open.

Is there anything similar to cabaser that can be used in case I can't get a hold of any? Otherwise it will be my first option. Like you said, it is a big risk to take and I'd rather be safe than sorry. Can the Test E be substituted for something like Supertest? As I said to David, I really want to avoid being big because of water retention however my aim is for as much lean mass as possible. I'm looking at something along the lines of:

Week 1-10: 640mg Supertest
Week 1-8: 375mg NPP

PCT: Clomid, Kessar and Ovidrel.

I feel like the dose of Test is too high, but then again I don't want to be sitting around with half a vial of Test for ages.

Cabaser will be kept on hand if I manage to get it. Is Arimidex necessary with Cabaser on hand? Note that I haven't included Aromasin as my supplier can not get any, however I am still searching for it. Is Aromasin vital with this dose of NPP? Would rather be safe than sorry...

Supertest is fine. At 640mg a week you should have an AI for estrogen control. Once you've done a few cycles you will learn how your body reacts to estrogen/progestins but get the arimidex and cabaser to be safe. Arimidex at 0.5mg EOD, cabaser you can keep in case you start getting side effects, but it won't hurt to run at 0.25mg twice a week. I hope yo

Aromasin is not essential but does speed up recovery when used in PCT. The reason it is is excellent for PCT over other AIs is that it has no estrogen rebound, it lowers SHBG, and dramatically increases levels of natural free testosterone. A study on men taking aromasin found that after 10 days at 25mg/day, testosterone levels were raised 60% and free testosterone levels had almost doubled!

I need some advice! This might be of the toppic but I just registered on this site! Gues I should start some where! I got some ghrp 6 and just started with it, I searched a little on the net and didnt get much from the SA pages, only from uk. Has some one had some experience with this and is it as good as they say?

Alright thanks very much bro. Just to keep things clear, off 10 weeks of +-640mg Supertest and 8 week of 375mg NPP I will need BOTH Cabaser and Arimidex. Will I need to take 0.5mg Adex EOD throughout the cycle whilst only keeping the Cabaser on hand incase I experience libido problems? And then will make a plan to organise the Aromasin if it does make that big of a difference, thanks again.

If I were to run 640mg Supertest by itself for 10-12 weeks, would I also need to use Arimidex @0.5mg EOD for the duration of the cycle? Just a bit confused because I've had others say that it should only be kept on hand in case gyno comes up because estrogen can be good.

MK wrote: Alright thanks very much bro. Just to keep things clear, off 10 weeks of +-640mg Supertest and 8 week of 375mg NPP I will need BOTH Cabaser and Arimidex. Will I need to take 0.5mg Adex EOD throughout the cycle whilst only keeping the Cabaser on hand incase I experience libido problems? And then will make a plan to organise the Aromasin if it does make that big of a difference, thanks again.

If I were to run 640mg Supertest by itself for 10-12 weeks, would I also need to use Arimidex @0.5mg EOD for the duration of the cycle? Just a bit confused because I've had others say that it should only be kept on hand in case gyno comes up because estrogen can be good.

I recommended taking the arimidex because it will keep the water weight off as you were concerned about bloat. But more importantly because if you are taking test and npp without any ancillaries, then if you get gyno symptoms you won't know if it is because of test aromotising or the NPP. If you are taking arimidex at 0.5mg EOD you can be pretty sure it is a the NPP causing the symptoms if they arise.

If you want to run 640mg test on its own and are not concerned about bloat then by all means keep the arimidex on hand in case. You will defninitely get nice gains on just 640mg test per week as a 2nd cycle if your diet is good.

I think I will only run Supertest @ 640mg with a 40mg Dbol kicker and 40mg Winny & Proviron bridge as my second cycle just to see how my body reacts to it. Will running 12 weeks instead of 10 make a big difference or should I just stick to 10 weeks? Will only start using the Adex if I need to so that I don't fully suppress Estrogen which is needed for gains.

Third cycle I will be running 640mg Supertest for 10 weeks with 375mg NPP for 8 weeks. Will use Adex at 0.25mg EOD and will bump it up to 0.25mg ED if need be. Will only keep the Cabaser on hand incase I experience libido or extra gyno issues. Is using Dbol for the first 25 days @40mg unnecessary for this Supertest and NPP cycle? I am also planning on bridging from week 11-14 on this third cycle with 40mg of Winny & Proviron. Is that overkill? Will also do the FULL Doctari PCT. Thanks for all your help bud.

Third cycle looks fine to me bro although im not sure how you are going to accurately pin 1.25ml NPP. I like the way you handle your cycles, you opt for the lighter dosage and IMO you deserve a +1.

I too wanted to jump the bandwagon and do 750mg test for a first then deca then tren then both with igf and gh, but I have learned alot form this site and I'm sure you have.

Goodluck bro! When you going on? Maybe I'll go on with you and compare results

gorilla wrote: Third cycle looks fine to me bro although im not sure how you are going to accurately pin 1.25ml NPP.

Huh? 375mg is 2.5ml.

Now divide that by 2 for bi-weekly shots = 1.25ml.

I dont think he will run 750mg deca just yet...

I'd just alternate 1.2 and 1.3ml shots.

@Gorilla: Thanks bro, appreciate it! Will only be doing the second cycle in around August because of time on + PCT = time off. And will draw the NPP first (1.25ml) followed by 1ml of Supertest which will mean mixing the two in the same syringe. The NPP will balance out alright in 3ml syringes, which is the same type that I used for my first cycle.

I think running the same cycle would be good to compare results, and even possibly sides. How's your Test Cyp cycle going so far?

@Eidolon: Good idea bro, think I will use that method too. Thanks

Havent started yet MK, still waiting...

Why just not run the NPP at 300mg a week and the super test at 640mg a week for 10 weeks,I have used this cycle with a lot of guys and the results have been excellent,no need to complicate things by running the NPP for 8 weeks and test for 10 weeks, the npp has a short half life so u will be able to start pct when u finished your supertest waiting period,300mg of npp a week is enough for decent growth when calories are clean and high enough.

@Gorilla: When are you planning on starting then? I was under the impression that you had already done your first pin for some reason.

@DJ: Was planning on doing the NPP for 2 weeks shorter than the Test as some guys on the forum explained to me that the half life of NPP is much longer than that of Test. But then again, they were refering to Test Prop, and I will definitely take your word for it. Would you say as a first time with Nandro although it will be my third cycle by the time I try this, that 300mg will be enough even if I'm slightly heavier than what I am now? Or does dose not depend on weight? I'm looking for lean mass gains which is why I've opted for the NPP over Deca, so hopefully the cycle (with a good diet ofcourse) will help me lower BF further whilst gaining some solid kilos. Would you recommend a Winny Proviron bridge for this cycle, and even a Dbol kicker?

Also what are your views on Muscleaddict's opinion about running arimidex at 0.5mg EOD on this cycle, whilst keeping Cabaser on hand? Will gains be supressed too much at that dose? And off a Supertest only cycle at 640mg EW would you do the same?

yes 300mg will be fine bro. yes,winstrol and proviron can be started in week 8 and run to week 14,and yes dbol to front load is perfect, i would maybe opt for tbol over dbol. i would keep the adex to maybe 2x a week if i was you, dont want to suppress estrogen too much, i would suggest only using it when its needed really.