best strenght for least size

If you do use nandrolene, don't use deca-go with NPP.

Also not big on nandrolene because of shutdown, but damn its a miracle worker on the joints

thanks a lot for the inputs you guys.
not going to take the deca or npp as it stays in the system too long and i am going to get tested and i have a GREAT msm, glucosime and chondroitin supplement (its actually something for race horses) and it works amazing with all joint issues!

@moose, i know the winnie is tried and tested but want to try the var and see how it matches up and how i react to it.

what would you guys suggest the exact cycle should be when i combine anavar and test prop with hcg and kessar as pct? and will it be smart to take sarm as well?

[sorry for all the questions! my knowledge on individual substances is not too bad (been reading up sooo much) but when it comes to combinations im still a little lost!]:blush:

thanks guys

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

milktuds you do, but I can't even use 50% of that stregth because of the the masteron and specially var does to my joints...

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

size gains....fat loss?

00pump wrote:

milktuds you do, but I can't even use 50% of that stregth because of the the masteron and specially var does to my joints...

The var did catch up to me after a while on that dose. Pumps were insane and joints were taking a hammering. Dropped the var after 4 or 5 weeks can't remember.

Barbell wrote:

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

size gains....fat loss?

I think I went from 75kg up to 81 or 83kg in 8 weeks time. Couldn't do cardio so fat kinda stayed the same. I'll log my cycle progress next time for future reference. Memory is a bit kak. Hi, I'm ten second Bob.

My next cycle will start 17/05/2010. Will take before and after pics and measure BF% biweekly.

Frikkie:

I still suggest against it, when u compare to winny - winny is more effective, half the price, doesn't need to be cycled for the long length and doesn't cause a fraction of the var pump etc. EG: you do power-lifting like me, try and do a heavy dead-lift session after week 3 on the var, your back will be pumped/ useless for a week and iam sure iam not the only one who has experienced this.

Cycle would look like this though:

week 1-8: Var, 80-100mg.
week 1-8: Prop, 150mg, E2ndD.

Pct:

You can basically start straight away, also you said minimal size so if you wanna drop the prop 2 weeks short and finish on var that will cut you up more. you would use the HCG over week 7&8m say 500iu 3x per week. Then Kessar 20mg week 9-12.

Peace

milktuds wrote:

Barbell wrote:

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

size gains....fat loss?

Hi, I'm ten second Bob.

Shame dude. And then what do they call you because of the memory?

Yohimbe wrote:

milktuds wrote:

Barbell wrote:

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

size gains....fat loss?

Hi, I'm ten second Bob.

Shame dude. And then what do they call you because of the memory?

:laugh: Although 10 seconds might be 8 too long. :lol:

milktuds wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

milktuds wrote:

Barbell wrote:

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

size gains....fat loss?

Hi, I'm ten second Bob.

Shame dude. And then what do they call you because of the memory?

:laugh: Although 10 seconds might be 8 too long. :lol:

Well that includes the foreplay :laugh:

Mr Moose wrote:

Frikkie:

I still suggest against it, when u compare to winny - winny is more effective, half the price, doesn't need to be cycled for the long length and doesn't cause a fraction of the var pump etc. EG: you do power-lifting like me, try and do a heavy dead-lift session after week 3 on the var, your back will be pumped/ useless for a week and iam sure iam not the only one who has experienced this.

Cycle would look like this though:

week 1-8: Var, 80-100mg.
week 1-8: Prop, 150mg, E2ndD.

Pct:

You can basically start straight away, also you said minimal size so if you wanna drop the prop 2 weeks short and finish on var that will cut you up more. you would use the HCG over week 7&8m say 500iu 3x per week. Then Kessar 20mg week 9-12.

Peace

once again thanks a lot!
didnt know the var causes THAT bad pumps...! :S
i hope this isnt a dumb question but what about a lower dose var (20-40mg?) AND winnie (1ml/50mg e2d?)? also im still young (23) and want to stay away from all testosterones for long as possible so will dropping the test prop reduce results dramatically?

@ milk, yoh and barb - you guys are fckn hilarious... :laugh:

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

o ja wanted to ask you, how was your sides on this cycle?? ive read up a lot on masteron for a while now and seems very promising but see many guys getting heavy side effects (hairloss, acne, aggression etc) on it... :S

Frikkie wrote:

milktuds wrote:

I was on a Test Prop (150mg EOD), Var (80mg) and Masteron (150mg EOD) cycle last year. Boy do you get major strength gains on that baby.

o ja wanted to ask you, how was your sides on this cycle?? ive read up a lot on masteron for a while now and seems very promising but see many guys getting heavy side effects (hairloss, acne, aggression etc) on it... :S

Side effects = getting big. :laugh:

I only ran into some gyno trouble towards the end of the cycle, but this was only minor and my own fault for not running an AI during the cycle.

Shoulders (joints) were dry, but I think this was mostly due to the Var, was sorted out after dropping the Var. Var pumps were insane, especially after squats. Couldn't bend over to stack some weights on the seated calve raise. Had to align the weight over the bar/hole and just drop it on. People thought I was a douche. Can't say I had any side effects from the Masteron to be honest.

The Prop and Masteron was nice. The Var was insane.