best strenght for least size

anybody with any suggestions as to what is the best steroid for gaining strenght and power (and keeping it) without to much size and weight gain like you get with deca, sus, dbol etc? thanks!

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ummm well lets think,the stronger u get the more muscle u get the more size u are going to get the more u are gonna weight,if u dont want any of these effects then stick to playing tiddly winks with your mates as u wont get the size and weight gain u dont want.

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What's your previous experience bru??

Give me some stats aswel- height, weight, AGE, BF%.

If all is in order I can sort out a nice lean muscle cycle, its all about compound choice but obviously DJ's series of events are correct. But if you focus on clean compounds with minimal est conversion, water retention etc and a solid clean diet iam sure the results will be kind of what you are looking for.

Peace

If you want to achieve huge strength without massive gains, use Anavar.

No steroid will you keep your strength when you come off it. You will keep some strength based on the increase in muscle mass what you don't want to do. Otherwise you must look at power lifting programs that way you can learn to lift you max for your weight, etc.

thanks a lot mister rabbit!
looks like oxandrolone is my best bet for strength without excess size and water and it gets out of your system quite quick!

well i am a powerlifter haha...
im 22, weigh about 94 now (but compete in the 82-90 div) with +-12% bodyfat now (6-10 when i compete).
ive only used a little winstrol before cos due to the powerlifting training you pick up weight real fast.
anavar seems to be the best from everything i have read...
thanks guys!

Frikkie wrote:

thanks a lot mister rabbit!
looks like oxandrolone is my best bet for strength without excess size and water and it gets out of your system quite quick!

Yes - Like 00Pump said! - Anavar.

You should really read a bit more.

Being a powerlifter isnt it better to have your bodyfat a little higher, to get in more carbs and calories, its all about strenght not how shredded you are? or am i off track now?

you are 100% right roozer but im only 22 and still want to look good so im trying to find something to give me the best of both worlds so i can be competitive but still look (relatively) good. when im older ill specialize more in the powerlifting and put on some weight and up my fat% but for now looks is still important haha... :lol:

Frikkie wrote:

you are 100% right roozer but im only 22 and still want to look good so im trying to find something to give me the best of both worlds so i can be competitive but still look (relatively) good. when im older ill specialize more in the powerlifting and put on some weight and up my fat% but for now looks is still important haha... :lol:

makes sense, still got to charm the ladies hey...

but why not get on a lean mass course with a good diet from DJ, keep the body fat low increase strenght and size.

soos hul se doen 'n ding eenkeer en doen dit ordentelik.
I think just hitting the anavar will be a waste of money, anavar isnt one of the cheapies. rather save up get the diet and cycle right, ask as much stupid questions as you can believe me if you think it is a stupid question, 10 other guys want to ask the same but dont have the balls and in the end you get the right education. :woohoo:

haha thanks a lot man! :laugh: must say i feel a 'little' intimidated by all these pro's and their amazing knowledge!!!
yeah i think anavar alone wont do that much. my only problem is we get tested regularly so i need compounds that leave the body quickly, but i'll read and read and read (and ask you pros!) till i get it right! :blush:

Yea knowledge is the way bru ask away:

But we can steer you in the right direction as far as what to do, i also am a powerlifter, havent competed in about a year or so now but know the testing process. Whos testing you (private/coach/tournament officials), what you looking to compete in?

You wont really go wrong with a Prop + Winny cycle planned correctly and timed correctly, good mix there with a fair ammount of strength potential. Not anything overboard and will still leave you looking decent for the ladies.

And that bodyfat thing is not entirely true i would say a good 50% +- of the guys i train with who are very competitive maintain BF% in the 10% region year round, all about commitment and your diet and if the strength and structure is there why carry arround some ugly, unnecessary fat??

Peace

its the ipf so they say you can be tested all year round but ive only been tested by officials when i win or get a place at a comp.

ja you're right about the excess fat. esspecially us guys that arent as massive and want to compete as light as possible.

thanks ill take a look at some of the prop+stana cycles!

No winnie

You wont have knees left

Test prop and var =

test susp and var =

SARM = :lol:

haha ja i allready had my knees done and definitely dont want to go through that crap again...! :laugh: thanks!

sorry but what's SARM? and what pct would you recommend for the test+var?

Frikkie wrote:

haha ja i allready had my knees done and definitely dont want to go through that crap again...! :laugh: thanks!

sorry but what's SARM? and what pct would you recommend for the test+var?

Hey frikkie i actually also tend to do more the test prop and var cycle. especially with strength training i can just think how the joints are going to feel with stanza drying em out.

Var is costly but what i heard it works like a charm. I would say normal pct procedure. in the pct section. Doctari's put the pct protocall there. Haha i think a few guys here are so de moer in with themselves for not doing the right pct's in the past.I am also a victim :blush:
Do the pct right bud, getting you clean and natural ready.

And detection times for test prop is 2 weeks and var is 3 weeks so you can push it leke before comp and retain your size and strenghts.

dankie rooz!

how long and what doses do you normally take? and any specific reason you rather take the test prop than the test susp or is it just a personal preference?

jip I dont want to take chances with pct so have "studied" all doctari's stuff cos no thanks to roesyntjieballas and bitch tits lol

Frikkie wrote:

dankie rooz!

how long and what doses do you normally take? and any specific reason you rather take the test prop than the test susp or is it just a personal preference?

jip I dont want to take chances with pct so have "studied" all doctari's stuff cos no thanks to roesyntjieballas and bitch tits lol

Roesyntjie balletjies se jy hahahaha. well lets say the test suspension i didnt like the injections. stalling the needle and all kind of sides. but just personal i hate it. i love oils rather than waterbased. and especially the prop doesnt give you the hev water that you stated in the beginning you dont want and suspension loves the water retension. Ander manne sal dalk met my verskil, maar ek het net gatvol geraak met suspension en 14ml gebruik was so gatvol het die res weggemoer en sommer die ander 20ml ok. Net om jou die idee te gee. Hoop dit help

Halotestin is the powerlifters drug of choice-low weight gain but huge strength and aggression. Pretty liver toxic though
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/component/content/article/24

Yohimbe wrote:

Halotestin is the powerlifters drug of choice-low weight gain but huge strength and aggression. Pretty liver toxic though
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/component/content/article/24

I also thought of halotestin, but its pricy though, would you say incorporate it with prop and anavar, or if you want to go that route drop the anavar completely cause the liver is going to take a hammering?

I would say drop the var and just run prop and halo. You're right its pricey and pretty heavy on liver, so need to think about it carefully.
Alternatively you could add masteron to your prop and var. Any DHT derivative will give good strength gains. I find winny is one of the best-well never done halo-but as mentioned previously it's murder on the joints and IMO shouldn't be run without nandrolene.

Halo is like schnarfing some coke b4 you train: Basically boosts you for a few hours and thats its job done, ive never understood it completely but have actually used it with success to increase concentration and squeeze out those extra few kg's at a comp! IMO no staying power though.

Best bet from my side would be a Prop and Winny cycle - agreed on yohimbe's opinion. As for the nandrolone - i cope fine on clucosamine extra strength and flaxseed oil. Dont like nandrolone too much.

Something like:
Week 1-8: Prop, 150mg, E2ndD
Week 5-9: Winny, 50mg, ED

Proper Pct> HCG and Kessar will be fine.

Cost effective, simple, good strenght!

Peace