Lost all gains while on PCT

I think I might have gotten some alcohol poisoning. Felt like I was at the university again!!!! :ohmy:

But I'm feeling better every day. The rest feels good.

I kinda did the same over December.

I trained on ave. 3 times a week, but I drank for nearly 2 -3 weeks.

Worst been....No food for 1.5days... Ish ish ish


What sorted me out was.

Following my diet, Rehydrate , Multi Vits , loads of water

And my favorite before gym = B12/complex injection + ZMA + Amino stack..

Felt power after that !!

Supercharged wrote:

admin wrote:

Supercharged wrote:

Hi Guys

One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.

Mmm, the topic should have been "Losing gains after cycle" as the gear is not to blame at all since he did manage to gain 7 Kg, which is pretty good in my opinion. The problem might be with the shutdown he experienced after 12 weeks of Test and 6 weeks of Tren Ace ect.

Another issue could be that his cortisol levels might have been too high combined by high estrogen after cycle. Did he use any vitamins or other supplements as well? More importantly, did he use 500iu HCG weekly during his cycle and what did his diet look like exactly? Remember a protein and carb diet could have consisted of chocolates and simba chippies as well...

Admin

As you can see I edited my post to prevent some of the guys from exploding with roid rage.

I will have a chat with him about the questions you have asked and get back to you tomorrow.

Hi, spoke to the guy last night that lost all his gains on PCT. His cycle, PCT and diet consist of the following:

Test Prop 150 EOD for 12 weeks
Tren Act 80 EOD for first 6 weeks
Avavar 60mg ED Last 6 Weeks
Winny 30mg ED Last 6 weeks
PCT
Letrozol 0.5ml 12 weeks (from start of cycle)
HCG 500ui 12 weeks (from start of cycle)
Clomid 50mg for 5 days on 5 day off and 5 days on again (started clomid one week after last Test Prop shot)
Kessar 20mg ED started on the first off day of the 5 days break from Clomid. Kessar was run for 21 days.
Diet
Meal 1
50g Oats
6 Egg whites’ one whole egg
30g Whey Protein
Meal 2
300g fish
100g Pasta
30g Whey Protein
Meal 3
50g Oats
60g Whey Protein
Meal 4
250g Chicken
100g Potato
Meal 5
50g paste
30g peanut butter
30g Whey Protein
Meal 6
250g lean Stake
Salad
Meal 7
60g Whey Protein
30g Peanut butter

4-6 liters of water per day

I thing he run the Lertozol to long and should have run the HCG 2 weeks longer?

He is still on his diet so I beleve that he is not fucking up buy eating crappy food?

not eating enough thats why he lost his gains..

Supercharged wrote:

Supercharged wrote:

admin wrote:

Supercharged wrote:

Hi Guys

One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.

Mmm, the topic should have been "Losing gains after cycle" as the gear is not to blame at all since he did manage to gain 7 Kg, which is pretty good in my opinion. The problem might be with the shutdown he experienced after 12 weeks of Test and 6 weeks of Tren Ace ect.

Another issue could be that his cortisol levels might have been too high combined by high estrogen after cycle. Did he use any vitamins or other supplements as well? More importantly, did he use 500iu HCG weekly during his cycle and what did his diet look like exactly? Remember a protein and carb diet could have consisted of chocolates and simba chippies as well...

Admin

As you can see I edited my post to prevent some of the guys from exploding with roid rage.

I will have a chat with him about the questions you have asked and get back to you tomorrow.

Hi, spoke to the guy last night that lost all his gains on PCT. His cycle, PCT and diet consist of the following:

Test Prop 150 EOD for 12 weeks
Tren Act 80 EOD for first 6 weeks
Avavar 60mg ED Last 6 Weeks
Winny 30mg ED Last 6 weeks
PCT
Letrozol 0.5ml 12 weeks (from start of cycle)
HCG 500ui 12 weeks (from start of cycle)
Clomid 50mg for 5 days on 5 day off and 5 days on again (started clomid one week after last Test Prop shot)
Kessar 20mg ED started on the first off day of the 5 days break from Clomid. Kessar was run for 21 days.
Diet
Meal 1
50g Oats
6 Egg whites’ one whole egg
30g Whey Protein
Meal 2
300g fish
100g Pasta
30g Whey Protein
Meal 3
50g Oats
60g Whey Protein
Meal 4
250g Chicken
100g Potato
Meal 5
50g paste
30g peanut butter
30g Whey Protein
Meal 6
250g lean Stake
Salad
Meal 7
60g Whey Protein
30g Peanut butter

4-6 liters of water per day

I thing he run the Lertozol to long and should have run the HCG 2 weeks longer?

He is still on his diet so I beleve that he is not fucking up buy eating crappy food?

Was the letro dose 0.5mg ED? If so that's way too high.
Also HCG for 12 weeks is too long-it can cause desensitisation if used for long periods. This could be the reason along with a weak diet.

For me personally to many whey shakes, max 3 a day for me.

for me meal replacement shakes rather than any whey at all! u NEED those calories big time during PCT!! but to me still sounds like some kinda alcohol, drug or something wrong, should of at least kept 2kgs min! but maybe he has hit his body platuea and needs to lay off the juice for a while and let his balls come back into full function and train naturally then hit another course but not so much juice and not so long, then definately a correct PCT with right calories! my two cents!

Supercharged wrote:

I thing he run the Lertozol to long and should have run the HCG 2 weeks longer?

He is still on his diet so I beleve that he is not fucking up buy eating crappy food?

I think you and DJ have the just of it.
Running the letro that high till the end of the cycle and then not running HCG after can have a negative effect on PCT. He could've run the letro lower, stopped it a week or two earlier, and the HCG 2 weeks longer with SERM and then another 4 weeks SERM to make a slightly longer PCT. Certainly if he's losing the gains during PCT the HCG must be hit immediately, cause the test is not kicking in.
Depending on size and metabolism DJ might be right about not eating enough too. You really need to keep cals high in PCT.
Also perhaps he should look at a cortiol antagonist during PCT next cycle?

Sorry to hear of his loss
Perhaps he should get some blood work and see where his sex hormones and cortisol levels are? Might help for next PCT to see what they look like now.

Please keep us updated as to whether he keeps losing mass after PCT. If not then I think the diet may be the primary cause.

Inja wrote:

Supercharged wrote:

I thing he run the Lertozol to long and should have run the HCG 2 weeks longer?

He is still on his diet so I beleve that he is not fucking up buy eating crappy food?

I think you and DJ have the just of it.
Running the letro that high till the end of the cycle and then not running HCG after can have a negative effect on PCT. He could've run the letro lower, stopped it a week or two earlier, and the HCG 2 weeks longer with SERM and then another 4 weeks SERM to make a slightly longer PCT. Certainly if he's losing the gains during PCT the HCG must be hit immediately, cause the test is not kicking in.
Depending on size and metabolism DJ might be right about not eating enough too. You really need to keep cals high in PCT.
Also perhaps he should look at a cortiol antagonist during PCT next cycle?

Sorry to hear of his loss
Perhaps he should get some blood work and see where his sex hormones and cortisol levels are? Might help for next PCT to see what they look like now.

Please keep us updated as to whether he keeps losing mass after PCT. If not then I think the diet may be the primary cause.

Inja, what good cortisol antagonist apart from vit c would you recommend?

Phosphatidyl Serine for the cortisol

Precision wrote:

Phosphatidyl Serine for the cortisol

Thanks precision-sounds promising. What otc brand do you use?