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Lost all gains while on PCT
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One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.
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The gear clearly did its work on cycle, ask him about his recreational drug habits possibly??
He's clearly doing something wrong!!
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Why so up in arms Precision?
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you're complaining about the gear when clearly it has nothing to do with the losses post cycle boet!
I did not complain about the gear or can't you read? The post reads that he did a cycle of PGW & LP gear and lost is gains while on PCT not one of you geniuses asked what his PCT was but because PGW & LP was mentioned you all up in arms about my post.
I only use PGW & LP and have no problem with it. I posted this to help others.
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Hi Guys
One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.
sorry?
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Supercharged wrote:
Hi Guys
One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.
sorry?
No Problem Jayman just don’t people to think that I am the one with the problem with the gear.
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no1 said you had a problem with anything, time to take you're chill pill ok?
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Hi Guys
One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.
Mmm, the topic should have been "Losing gains after cycle" as the gear is not to blame at all since he did manage to gain 7 Kg, which is pretty good in my opinion. The problem might be with the shutdown he experienced after 12 weeks of Test and 6 weeks of Tren Ace ect.
Another issue could be that his cortisol levels might have been too high combined by high estrogen after cycle. Did he use any vitamins or other supplements as well? More importantly, did he use 500iu HCG weekly during his cycle and what did his diet look like exactly? Remember a protein and carb diet could have consisted of chocolates and simba chippies as well...
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ok I'm not even going to try and explain this to you...
no1 said you had a problem with anything, time to take you're chill pill ok?
Jayman, I did not complain about the gear a guy at gym complained about it, do you understand now?
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would you mind telling us what you know about his PCT and diet?
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That happened to me after my cycle last year. Lost all my gains. Felt like shit, week all that homo stuff....
But after the correct supplementation and HCG ( x2 500iu all I had) and training , and a 2 -3 months, I gained everything back . ( was on Tbol , Winstrol and had shut down from Sdrol in the past)
Took me a while to come right , but I did.
But I did.
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Supercharged wrote:
Hi Guys
One of the guys at Gym complained about PGW and LP, apparently he did a 12 week Test Prop 12 weeks at 150mg EOD , Tren Act 80 mg EOD first 6 weeks , anavar 60mg ed and winny 30mg ed last 6 weeks of cycle. He said the gains were great (7 kg’s) while on the cycle but as soon as he started his PCT he lost all gains. I did ask him about his diet, he is still on his Protein & Carb diet.
Age 28, height 1.75, weight 80 kg, BF 8%.
Mmm, the topic should have been "Losing gains after cycle" as the gear is not to blame at all since he did manage to gain 7 Kg, which is pretty good in my opinion. The problem might be with the shutdown he experienced after 12 weeks of Test and 6 weeks of Tren Ace ect.
Another issue could be that his cortisol levels might have been too high combined by high estrogen after cycle. Did he use any vitamins or other supplements as well? More importantly, did he use 500iu HCG weekly during his cycle and what did his diet look like exactly? Remember a protein and carb diet could have consisted of chocolates and simba chippies as well...
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As you can see I edited my post to prevent some of the guys from exploding with roid rage.
I will have a chat with him about the questions you have asked and get back to you tomorrow.
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I understood in the first place bro, I think we both just lost the plot there.
would you mind telling us what you know about his PCT and diet?
It's okay bud, will have a chat with him and post it tomorrow.
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Admin you pretty spot on.
That happened to me after my cycle last year. Lost all my gains. Felt like shit, week all that homo stuff....
But after the correct supplementation and HCG ( x2 500iu all I had) and training , and a 2 -3 months, I gained everything back . ( was on Tbol , Winstrol and had shut down from Sdrol in the past)
Took me a while to come right , but I did.
But I did.
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If he did not run HCG in his PCT or not run HCG long enough in his PCT, could that have caused him to lose the gains?
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My first thoughts where that he lost all water weight, but then I see the cycle was very "dry" so...
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acidkidsa wrote:
Admin you pretty spot on.
That happened to me after my cycle last year. Lost all my gains. Felt like shit, week all that homo stuff....
But after the correct supplementation and HCG ( x2 500iu all I had) and training , and a 2 -3 months, I gained everything back . ( was on Tbol , Winstrol and had shut down from Sdrol in the past)
Took me a while to come right , but I did.
But I did.
Acidkdsa
If he did not run HCG in his PCT or not run HCG long enough in his PCT, could that have caused him to lose the gains?
It will help him maintain his gains ,and increase you bodies natural test production.
I was advised to try it, even though I was not cycling with test. I did , it helped..
Read up on what Pregnyl does , all there.
That is why alot of the guys that juice it up before December loose everything by January.
They not following a proper PCT , and they drinking themselves into as coma with little nutrition .......
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As did I. Still got a hangover, but slowly climbing back.
HAHAHAHA shame man u will get back into it.
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As did I. Still got a hangover, but slowly climbing back.
Damn Bernie how much did you drink?
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HCG is always a good idea on cycle and at the beginning of pct, esp running compounds that shut you down hard like tren.
Then during pct, you need to overlap the hcg with the nolva for a couple of weeks and then keep the nolva running for 3-4 weeks after hcg cessation. During this time you must also load yourself with vitamins, particularly vit c as it has huge anti cortisol effects-I would say in eccess of 3,000mg per day, spreadout. Also use EFA's, zinc and magnesium and vit b.
You can also add in something to help you as well like some ginseng, tribulus and nettle root.
The gear was fine if it worked, post cycle has nothing to do with the gear-I don't think Supercharged was blaming the gear in his original post
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Regarding PCT: everything needs to be perfect. YOur body is very fragile at that stage.
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