INSULIN!

but then again it could be the excess fat from the dairy being excreted...at the end of the day lactose is still lactose which is a milk sugar and converts to fat at the same rate as fructose which is higher then with sucrose. end of the day,500ml of milk had got 30g of protein in it but it also has the same amount of carbs which are sugar...so drinking that will definantly spike insulin when u least want it.

hmm sounds a bit confusing, so what exactly is the outcome about dairy, good or bad ? I include dairy in my diet for calcium and it contains lots of protein, all fat free.. ie : milk, cottage cheese etc..

djeasye wrote:

but then again it could be the excess fat from the dairy being excreted...at the end of the day lactose is still lactose which is a milk sugar and converts to fat at the same rate as fructose which is higher then with sucrose. end of the day,500ml of milk had got 30g of protein in it but it also has the same amount of carbs which are sugar...so drinking that will definantly spike insulin when u least want it.

Dont know bud, but after that episode the conclusion was that the dairy holds on to dietry fat and is eventually excreted.

hey inja how do you post a new thread were i can ask what i want ? Just for your info on my diet i am getting +-260g of protein and+- 230g of carbs my weight is 95 kg so i am getting nearly 3g of protein per kg of bodyweight which i am sure you know is enough.

by the way you can get the milk i use from pick and pay which is lactose free it's yellow and white by parlamat

juiced169 wrote:

hey inja how do you post a new thread were i can ask what i want ? Just for your info on my diet i am getting +-260g of protein and+- 230g of carbs my weight is 95 kg so i am getting nearly 3g of protein per kg of bodyweight which i am sure you know is enough.

well bud thats only 2000calories and u expect to put on muscle with that....ummmm yea think again dude... try double that amount of calories and then u will get to where u need to be for muscle growth. i work on 3.4g of protein per kg and then i adjust the carbs and fats to meet requirements.

BigW wrote:

by the way you can get the milk i use from pick and pay which is lactose free it's yellow and white by parlamat

Energy 190 KJ
Protein 3.1 g
Carbohydrate -4.8 g
Glucose 2.4 g
Galactose 2.4 g
Lactose 0.0g

ummmm dude that 4.8g of sugars per 100ml,so it might not have milk sugar in it(lactose) but it has pure sugar in it (glucose)

What is lactose intolerance?
Lactose intolerance is a type of food sensitivity. It is the most common carbohydrate intolerance and affects people of all ages. Lactose intolerance is the inability to digest lactose (a sugar present in milk) because of a deficiency of the enzyme lactase., The lactose is not broken down into galactose and glucose. The lactose remains in the gut and draws water into the intestine. Bacteria ferments the undigested lactose, forming lactic acid and other organic acids, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen gas. This results in bloating, flatulence, cramps and diarrhea.


end of the day,if are looking to put on size then use milk but realise u are gonna get alot of additional fat gain from the added calories as well as storing alot of the unused calories from the insulin spike that happens... when causing an insulin spike u want to stay far away from fats(which milk has in it even your easygest milk) cos insulin is your storage hormone,so unless u wanna store fat in the muscle or on the body stay away from taking fats around fast acting carbs or milk.

juiced169 wrote:

hey inja how do you post a new thread were i can ask what i want ? Just for your info on my diet i am getting +-260g of protein and+- 230g of carbs my weight is 95 kg so i am getting nearly 3g of protein per kg of bodyweight which i am sure you know is enough.

At the top of each subsection, just above all the threads there is a big green button that says:
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And as for your diet, like I said you won't grow, DJ got my back :kiss: (though he has his own endevours in mind)...

i dont have my own endevours dude,i just take the guess work out of dieting,i have placed plenty of threads in the dieting section for guys to read and do it themselves...

No negativety intended at all bro. Great work and worthy contribution. I might even get you to look at my diet (though I'm sure its perfect, like me ) one day.

I would "got your back to" more often but The Northern One is just clamped on so damn tight!

You absolutley right! Dairy is best to stay away from if your looking for a lean lean body!! one glass a day wouldn't hurt though

BigW wrote:

by the way you can get the milk i use from pick and pay which is lactose free it's yellow and white by parlamat

You can get it anywhere, its called Easygest if I remeber

everytime I see a slin post I cringe...

00pump wrote:

everytime I see a slin post I cringe...

Why?
Lucky this is more of a diet discussion thread.

Ok thanks Dj but now tell me for some one wanting to loose fat but still put on mucsel eating 4000 cal will surly make me get fatter. I agree on the 3.4g of protein per kg of bodyweight as I have been told before you need between 2.5g and 3g of protein per kg of bodyweight. At 97kg I would need 329g of protein on your 3.4g per kg which would give me 1319 cal from protein the rest to make 4000 cal needs to come from carbs and good fats. I was told to eat between 2g to 4g of carbs per kg of bodyweight 2g being for weight loss and 4g for weight gain.at 97kg x 2 =194 carbs which gives you 776 cal. My good fats are around 30g a day which gives you 270 cal. if I add this all up I get 2365 cal which is not far off what I was getting. How on earth would I be able to eat 4000cal a day when I am stuffing my face every 3 hours ?

juiced169 u need to cut body fat before u consider eating anything more than 3000 calories.

juiced - sounds like u need a high protein good carb diet and consistant training and cardio until u have burnt most your fat, so you looking at loosing weight first while keeping muscle so say 92kgs then up work on building your muscle up with the right 4000 calories, i was 99kgs and look almost the same size now when i am 90 but much more shape and much less fat - my goal 100kg lean

At 30% bf he should be looking to loose at least 15kgs of fat before cycling...

30 % fuck didn't see that! Ja boet Inja is right! Personally the thought of loosing 15kg frightens me, so i would say at least 10kgs but start eating healthy man! and hit that fucken treadmill!