Anavar and Winstrol - how much, when etc.

Hi there,

I am brand new to this site and really am looking for some informed opinion about this.

I have bought enough Anavar and Winstrol oral tabs to take 60mg Var ED and 50mg Win ED 5 days a week, weekends off, for 6 weeks. The problem I have is that I have just sucked this dose out of my thumb from reading about it on the internet.

The reason I am interested in these two is because I am a low risk user. I have a suspicion that I will get gyno if I take anything that carries that risk as I took a psychiatirc drug once that has that as a side effect and I got it mildly and I will not cope if it got any worse or I got it again.

I am 183, 87kgs - lean with a handle on my waist and definitely not muscled enough and I want to shed excess fat and gain hard lean muscle - but not heaps of it. I also have to be careful because I took dbol before and I got very bloated - which I didnt like - and basically I am not keen on substances that fill your muslces with water. I also dont want anyone to notice that I am using anything.

How much should I be taking? And all in one dose? Split dose? Is 5 days a week enough? I also have Clen (the oral spray) which I intend to use in my third week of this cycle. Is this a mistake?

If somebody could help me with some insight I would be super appreciative.

Thanks so much.

throw in test prop in to your cycle,why u sticking with orals,learn to inject. take half your var in the morning and have in the evening same with winstrol,do not take weekends off u need to keep blood levels constant.

Jonny how old are you, if you dont mind me asking?

With those 2 orals you also need Milk Thistle to help the liver.
What are you gonna use for PCT?

dirkgreeff wrote:

Jonny how old are you, if you dont mind me asking?

Bump this.

What does you diet look like and you're training experience/routine?

Lay it out.

But don't just go popping pills without researching. Winny needs to be taken ED along with VAR. If you skip weekends all you're doing is causing fluctuations in blood levels because of the half lives of the drugs.
And two orals is never a good idea, stressful for the liver.

Hey there, thanks for your response. I am trying to keep my use a secret so injecting may leave marks and the results might be too obvious? Is this an assumption?

31. So getting on I guess.

I train 5 days a week. Abs every day first thing, 10 mins cardio before weights, 1 hr weight training, 20 mins cardio HIIT I am focussing on my upper body for this cycle.

Monday Chest and Triceps
Tuesday Back and Biceps
Wednesday Chest and Shoulders
Thursday Biceps and Triceps
Friday Chest and Shoulders
Sat off
Sun off

On 3 days I do my calves. My legs are over developed for my body so I am trying to get my chest to catch up. I apoologise if I am using really layman language here. I have been training since 2006 on an off but seriously since November last year.

On a typical day I eat:
2 x EAS Whey Protein shakes with water
Oats with cold milk
Loads of coffee (addict!)
1x small activia yoghurt
1xtablespoon of Linseed
1x Banana
4x Chicken breast
2x Sweet potato
4 x egg white
1x Half bag of brocolli

Split througout the day every 2 - 3 hrs. Its so hard to keep to strict eating with a job, training and only 24hrs in a day!

I am getting frustrated being flabby and also I seem to have plateaud hence why I bought the winny and var.

The pharmacist said I should take essentialle - said it works better than milk thistle. But this is exactly what makes this so hard - everybody has an opinion and its hard to know who is right.

My PCT is clenbuterol. So I heard it should be?

I just cannot take anything that will make me bloat or runs the risk of gyno. My partner will notice and I dont want that. Sounds silly, but hey - some things are best kept to oneself.

Thank you so much for taking the time to share what you know with me. Much appreciation from my side.

ok, I am not THAT flabby. Its just that lower back handful that gets me down!

Your training routine is less than impressive,you should not be doing cardio before weights,and your training session in 1h30min...way too long.That length of training will push your body into a catabolic state.If you want to get lean,you should try doing cardio 1st thing in the morning on an empty stomach for at least 30-45min and no weights for that particular day.Studies show that doing cardio in that manner burns 300% more calories.

I also strongly suggest adding testosterone into your cycle.And clen alone just wont do it as a pct,you will need kessar and hcg to get your body back to normal and keep most of your gains.

Jonny injecting will not leave marks so yes that is an unfounded assumption. My piece of sdvice get the squirrel to design a diet for you (plus he'll be able to help ypou with protocol that will ensure stable blood plasma levels so that you dont "waste" the compounds).

Other than that, train hard and sure as nuts you will get what you need from it.

dirkgreeff wrote:

Jonny injecting will not leave marks so yes that is an unfounded assumption. My piece of sdvice get the squirrel to design a diet for you (plus he'll be able to help ypou with protocol that will ensure stable blood plasma levels so that you dont "waste" the compounds).

Other than that, train hard and sure as nuts you will get what you need from it.

Well if he gets an infection there will be a mark

Thanks for the advice. I must just figure out how to ask the squirrel.

JonnyMuscleMonkey wrote:

Thanks for the advice. I must just figure out how to ask the squirrel.

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Wow. Ok, so this is one long term sport and lesson really. I guess its easier to get it wrong than it is to get it right in the end. Thank you so much for your input.

That PCT you speak about and the Test you suggest I add, will it make me bloated/gyno etc?

I never realised this was such an expensive exercise.BEST to do it right.

Thank you!

Hold off on the cycle for a bit until you get your diet in order-steroids will make your body very efficient at processing protein, but if you're not getting enough, you won't get results.

I would suggest holding off on any gear and start a strict keto diet-best way to retain muscle and drop bodyfat.
Research keto but as a starting point work around ratios of 60:30:10 protein to fat to carbs. Carbs create an insulin repsonse that is a storage hormone and will cause your body to hold onto the fat.
Principle behind keto is you change the energy source you use for fuel from glycogen to ketones (liver converts glucose to glycogen-in absence of glucose it will convert dietary fat into ketoones and this will become the energy source to run your body).

Most effective diet IMO.
Once per week add in a single carb only meal to replenish lost muscle glycogen from training. Other than this no carbs.

And don't train more than 2 days on a row for longer than 45 min per session-otherwise you risk overtraining.
You need at least 200-250g protein per day, which you're not getting from the above diet.

Thanks so much for the info.

Ok, so if I hold out on the gear and I change my diet - when should I start with the gear then?

Also, - how do you work out how much protein I am getting from each of the things that I am eating? Is there a website where I can work out a diet?

I had NO idea that I was so clueless. Honestly didnt. Doesnt make me feel good at all.

:S

JonnyMuscleMonkey wrote:

Thanks so much for the info.

Ok, so if I hold out on the gear and I change my diet - when should I start with the gear then?

Also, - how do you work out how much protein I am getting from each of the things that I am eating? Is there a website where I can work out a diet?

I had NO idea that I was so clueless. Honestly didnt. Doesnt make me feel good at all.

:S

Hold out on the gear until your diet is rock solid,count all your calories,carbs,fat,protein(google has thousands of calculators),work out what your daily calory needs will be and by how much you need to cut down in order to lose fat.Give your body a fair chance to grow naturally.It took me 5 months of alot of effort to fix my diet.
Also,a keto diet is a bit hectic for a beginner,it requires extreme discipline and motivation to stick to it,start small and work your way up.Best of luck

Dude i hope your war and winny is not nomad labs products cause then you just wasted your money....

uhm...it is nomad labs. Damn. Why? And I just bought 200 more and sustanon and fertomid.

Cos their stuff is highly underdosed

I am very sad to hear this. This is only my second cycle ever so I am going to take the stuff I have bought and see what happens. I mean, there is nothing else I can do right now anyway about it. But it will be a lesson learnt.

I just trust... if you know what I mean...tell me how its done and I'll do it that way. I realise now thats just blind sighted thinking.

My problem is time. 24hrs in a day is not enough for me - so I went with the guidance of someone else. I have hardly even a moment to set up my profile here correctly. I need an avatar.

You need to spend some time researching before injecting or taking powerful hormones.

Don't listen to advice in the gym-I've heard so many guys advising on deca only cycles etc.

And don't take everything you read on a forum as gospel-you don't know who's typing, could be some kid who'd faint at the site of a needle.
You need to research here and on other forums and on the net in general. If you find a recurring theme on a particular thing then you know you're on the right track.

But if you have to postpone for a year until you've done enough research then so be it, but don't pop pills because a friend of a friends brother said it's the shit.