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thx DJ!! I currently am trying my hardest to eat 6 timeas a day, eggs in the morning, porridge like oats, tuna, lean meat and salmon,chicken fillets etc. I eat a lot of brocoli and brown rice and I like brown rye bread with peanut butter. I drink 2 protien shakes aswell in the morning and one post training along with creatine. trying to gain a bit of size but eish....so difficult but I know it takes time!!

food is your biggest factor! if u cant eat enough u wont grow!

How much are you looking to gain?

thx for reply DJ and KK. Why is dbol only shit? got a mate thats currently on it, he is also a beginner but fok he is growing like mad. he doesnt look the same as 2 weeks ago, he already gained 6kg in 2 weeks. lot of water I know but still...will the right pct help him keep that gain? im also thinking of doing dbol only as a start for 6weeks but plz guys advise me first. KK, if I can gain some muscle (biceps need work and shoulders) id be glad, id say 5-10kg lean muscle, id be happy.

You mean 100% water.. you can 5 to 10 kgs on diet not on dbol, if you on a proper diet you will smash your friends with size and strength and not blow up and down.. when you get old enough and use real gear and know how to diet you will be in a class of your own

What is your weight body fat and calorie count for a training day and rest day

pump,so you saying I should forget about stuff till a later stage? im cool with that. gonna take long but its cool and at least it will last then. not sure about what u asked but I can give u an idea of what I eat and take as suppos. thing is, im new to all of this so im experementing with various stuff. im trying to gain so im eating alot, carbs and protein and protein shakes and creatine. I havent gained anything in two months. been on this mega eating thing for a month but havent gained any weight but am def stronger in the gym and am going heavier allready. I started working out seriously about 6months ago and am seeing only little results, its there but very little. I wish someone would come and cook for me cause damn its hard preparing all that food when a man has to study!! so yeah, time is a factor to this perfectly! advise?

Hey bro, you should be gaining, how old are you... Post up a rough morning to evening diet, what you bodyfat is and what your weight is.

Then we can see if you getting enough calories..

pump, im 25, 76kg, im not big and dont have a big bone structure just a little bit of fat around the belly but its not alot.(ill get the body fat measured) my diet looks like this although its hard to follow cause of time sometimes: morning: mcdonalds, afternoon: kfc, evening: mcdonalds again!!haha..just kidding!! early morning: protein shake with a fruit or slice of toast,an hour or so later I have 3boiled eggs and porridge like oats. afternoon at 12 or 1 I have lean mince or chicken breast with brown rice and brocolli,2hours or so later Ill have some tuna and salad with a health roll or low gi rye bread. before workout an apple and post workout skake plus creatine. evening meal is normally spagetti bolognes or chicken or meat or fish normally with veg and salad. begore bedtime I have oats again or shake. thats roughly it,its hard to stick with it specially now with the exams but i try my best!I was thinking of getting something like fast grow anabolic with carbs and protein and creatine all in one just to make my calorie and carb intake more, and no, I really dont eatjunk food even if I struggle with the diet.

Well you getting in the right sorts of foods, besides the bread, you not getting in enough fats during the day, and if you looking to lose some of that gut its better to get your calories from good fats and protein than it does from carbs..

The only way to know is to have the weights of all the foods, you will be doing yourself a huge favour if you know what you eating and how many calories that is, if not its all a guess game and you never going to succeed, once you understand diet and how it works you will maximise your steroid cycle in the future and just expand and looking very good, and all your friends will be blown by the size and strength you will show, however if you don't get the calories correct then you could be storing to much fat or not enough calories so you never going to grow.

Also at your age, I wouldn't see to much of an issue you doing a proper cycle to be honest.. I thought you where allot younger, and maybe a cycle with a perfect diet is what you can do.. This way you getting the best of both worlds..

I wouldn't advise dianbol however, but if you not scared of needles a testosterone only cycle, which would give you the best results for a first cycle and you will keep all your gains (not weight (water)) but gains with the correct PCT (post cycle therapy) which is the the second most important thing of a cycle, the first is to actually have a correct calorie diet to gain anything solid from the cycle, also at 25, your test levels would be dropping, so this cycle will make you feel on top of the world..

pump, right, can you advise me on a good diet? how much calories/carbs and protein do I need per day? can u give a diet to follow and also plz advise on supplements what and when to take them. as for the roids, I want to try it yes but am shit scared of not the needle but the self injection thats all. are there cycles where I dont have to inject everyday? maybe once a week or so?

Yes a test only cycle will be an injection once a week, I don't like needles and will pass out if someone takes blood, if I go to the doctor and they need to give me a prick i'll do it myself...

The fear of needles will pass so quickly... www.steroid.com/steroid_injections.php

Just follow the step on the site and you won't feel it, if you inject 2 ml of test a week, you can use a 23g needle which you won't even feel, just go into the bathroom lock the door if you have people at home so noone can disturb you and just place the needle on the place you need and just push it in, its only the very first 'layer' of skin that has any nerves that one actually feels, once its passed that first layer you don't feel it any more..

As for a diet, the best person would be DJ I have given up helping people with diets years ago when I would spend countless hours trying to help someone only to see them cheating everyday and it now goes against my moral practice..

Get your bodyfat checked and contact DJ and get a diet, he charges, but its penuts for the results you will see.. You will land up spending half the price on supplements and get double the results

cool! so, its 2ml test a week? for how long?? and what do I take for pct andhow long? DJ, will you plz advise on diet? how cn I contact u?

oh and thx for the link, been on that website the other day and read about a dbol/testo cycle, dbol to kick start it and then the testo once a week. what do u think of that?

You can use dianabol for the first 2/3 weeks of the cycle to kick it off...

Read out article section and navigate to PCT that will provide you what you need to know.. Option 2 PCT would be enough for that cycle..

Hmm, 2ml's of Test if its Test Cyp at 250mg a ml... You looking at around 500mg of test a week.

great stuff!! is 4500 calories, 390g protein and 390g carbs enough to grow?? will start cycle after exams and go to a nurse once a week to inject me, I knw a hot nurse! :woohoo:

at 79kgs? ummm i wanna see u eat that much food, thats just 3200calories from protien and carbs,i dont think u can eat that amount,also i wanna see that diet that give u that calorie intake... also welcome to fatville eating that much at your weight.

exactly, the diet im on,well, trying to follow has that amount of each but I cant eat that much, believe me ive tried. so what would be the right intake for me then?

haha i wanna start my first cycle soon but i cant get hold of PGW but my recent source seems to be promising!

i know all about calories,protiens etc that much, gonna read a bit and then ill come back with questions. is that okey? im gonna find out what my body needs to grow at my age and weight

well list exactly the diet,meal for meal,gram for gram and i can see if u are actually getting those values right....

i mean I dont know that much..lol.. :pinch:

okey, here I go
morning shake: 1schoopwhey,150g blue berries,245ml skimmed milk
breakfast: 3wholeeggs,3 egg whites,480g porridge
late morning: 2 scoops whey,490ml skimmed milk,1 banana,1tbsp peanut butter
lunch: 225g lean mince,1 wholewheat bun,200g green salad
midday snack: 1 tin tuna in water,2 slices sprouted grain bread,1 tbsp light mayo
pre workout: 1 schoop whey, 1 large apple
post workout: 1 scoop whey,950ml gatorade (whatever that is)
dinner: 225g salmon,200g brownrice,100g chopped brocolli,200g salad
night time snack: 30g walnuts,230g porridge 225g low fat cottage cheese

totals: 4500cal, 390g protein, 396carbs,150g fat.

I cant eat this much.