TRT protocol - Advice needed.

C0die wrote: I'm assuming it's not anaemia because of the normal haemoglobin levels?

This Ferrimed - www.dischem.co.za/ferrimed-60-capsules
Seems to be available of the shelf.

That's the one, I didn't realize it was no longer scheduled.

OK cool, thanks.
I'll pick some up when I'm at Dischem.

C0die wrote: OK cool, thanks.
I'll pick some up when I'm at Dischem.

Cool, just one a day to start with.

Thanks. How often should I get my iron levels tested?

C0die wrote: Thanks. How often should I get my iron levels tested?

Don't donate again until you have your ferritin tested. I would give those tablets at least 2 months. You do eat red meat?

00pump wrote:

C0die wrote: Thanks. How often should I get my iron levels tested?

Don't donate again until you have your ferritin tested. I would give those tablets at least 2 months. You do eat red meat?

I won't. Diet hasn't been great lately, but I will start eating more red meat.

Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

What dose where you on, how did you dose 100mg? What are your exact results?

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

What dose where you on, how did you dose 100mg? What are your exact results?

100mg/week yes.
That correlates to 0.4ml a week which I split into 2 dosages. 0.2ml on Monday and Thursday.
I inject using a slinpin so I am using exact measurements.

TT: 6.3 (9.9-27.8 nmol/l)
SHBG: 20.2 (14.5-48.4 nmol/l)
FT: 153.8 (174-729 pmol/l)
E2: 101 (<116 pmol/l)
Haematocrit: 0.53 (0.4-0.5 L/L)

animalpak07 wrote:

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

What dose where you on, how did you dose 100mg? What are your exact results?

100mg/week yes.
That correlates to 0.4ml a week which I split into 2 dosages. 0.2ml on Monday and Thursday.
I inject using a slinpin so I am using exact measurements.

TT: 6.3 (9.9-27.8 nmol/l)
SHBG: 20.2 (14.5-48.4 nmol/l)
FT: 153.8 (174-729 pmol/l)
E2: 101 (<116 pmol/l)
Haematocrit: 0.53 (0.4-0.5 L/L)

You are now the 3rd person I know of complaining about their Testosterone Cypionate. There is clearly a dosing issue with their Testosterone. I had a similar issue, I was using 500mg and my Testosterone came back around 350 (can't remember the exact figure), I have stopped using it myself and moved to HD Labs. I tried to get an answer from them regarding it but they did not respond so all I can advise now is to not use it.

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote:

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

What dose where you on, how did you dose 100mg? What are your exact results?

100mg/week yes.
That correlates to 0.4ml a week which I split into 2 dosages. 0.2ml on Monday and Thursday.
I inject using a slinpin so I am using exact measurements.

TT: 6.3 (9.9-27.8 nmol/l)
SHBG: 20.2 (14.5-48.4 nmol/l)
FT: 153.8 (174-729 pmol/l)
E2: 101 (<116 pmol/l)
Haematocrit: 0.53 (0.4-0.5 L/L)

You are now the 3rd person I know of complaining about their Testosterone Cypionate. There is clearly a dosing issue with their Testosterone. I had a similar issue, I was using 500mg and my Testosterone came back around 350 (can't remember the exact figure), I have stopped using it myself and moved to HD Labs. I tried to get an answer from them regarding it but they did not respond so all I can advise now is to not use it.

Thanks man. It's very discouraging. And money wasted.

I'm also not extremely impressed and I have a couple bottles of them, I have not mentioned anything as I did not want to rock the boat if it was just me, but now you the 3rd person to complain so either I 'protect a brand' which isn't interested in saying whats going on, or I provide honest feedback to this forum which is my responsibility based upon the only facts I know and that's my bloods where low enough on 500mg for the the pathologists to write a recommendation to be treated on TRT.

animalpak07 wrote:

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote:

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

What dose where you on, how did you dose 100mg? What are your exact results?

100mg/week yes.
That correlates to 0.4ml a week which I split into 2 dosages. 0.2ml on Monday and Thursday.
I inject using a slinpin so I am using exact measurements.

TT: 6.3 (9.9-27.8 nmol/l)
SHBG: 20.2 (14.5-48.4 nmol/l)
FT: 153.8 (174-729 pmol/l)
E2: 101 (<116 pmol/l)
Haematocrit: 0.53 (0.4-0.5 L/L)

You are now the 3rd person I know of complaining about their Testosterone Cypionate. There is clearly a dosing issue with their Testosterone. I had a similar issue, I was using 500mg and my Testosterone came back around 350 (can't remember the exact figure), I have stopped using it myself and moved to HD Labs. I tried to get an answer from them regarding it but they did not respond so all I can advise now is to not use it.

Thanks man. It's very discouraging. And money wasted.

Send it back and get it swapped for another brand.

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

I had a similar experience. When I decided to start self-medicating, I ordered a 10ml vial of "Black Series Labs" test form one on the online sources (stupid, I know). I have been using that for about 3 weeks now and noticed straight away that I was experiencing all the low test symptoms again.
I got a bottle of HD Labs Testaject 250 Testosterone Enanthate 250mg / ml from a reputable source at gym and after just one 0.5ml shot on Thursday, I can already feel the difference. Morning wood came back straight away.

I am not sure if the Black Series Labs test was a complete dud, or maybe just not correctly dosed, but from now on I'll definitely be sticking to HD Labs. It's what my Dr had originally used, and it works well.

@00Pump.

I have experienced very strange blood results recently. I moved from prescription depot Test to PGW Test Cyp about 2 years ago with no issues but the last 6 months or so have been a roller coaster, proven by my bloods which are close to pre TRT levels after being right up at high normal. I have always used PGW and LP, have done so for over 7 years but I'm starting to think that under or inconsistent dosing may be an issue.

I want to try another lab, I saw you put out a post that you are not happy with any UG injectables at this point. Are you comfortable with HD labs test cyp right now? It seems they're the ropute to go


Cheers

Judging from the reports here, it looks like there's a problem with PGW Testocyp and I've asked someone that has contact with them to raise the issue. Let's see what the response is, if they respond. For now I recommend HD Labs Depoject 200 instead.

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote:

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote:

00pump wrote:

animalpak07 wrote: Hey bud. I have also been self prescribed for the last 3 months.
I was using Ciccone Sustanon for the first 10 weeks at 100mg/week. Felt a lot better.
Unfortunately I did not take any bloods during that time.
I have been also using PGW TestoCyp the last 3 weeks or so at the same dosage and went for bloods this morning.
My results came back lower than it was pre-TRT.
So I'm not sure if the TestoCyp I got is underdosed or what.
It makes me really concerned as I have been feeling a bit worse since starting with TestoCyp.

Please note I am not bashing PGW. I am just sharing my experience.

What dose where you on, how did you dose 100mg? What are your exact results?

100mg/week yes.
That correlates to 0.4ml a week which I split into 2 dosages. 0.2ml on Monday and Thursday.
I inject using a slinpin so I am using exact measurements.

TT: 6.3 (9.9-27.8 nmol/l)
SHBG: 20.2 (14.5-48.4 nmol/l)
FT: 153.8 (174-729 pmol/l)
E2: 101 (<116 pmol/l)
Haematocrit: 0.53 (0.4-0.5 L/L)

You are now the 3rd person I know of complaining about their Testosterone Cypionate. There is clearly a dosing issue with their Testosterone. I had a similar issue, I was using 500mg and my Testosterone came back around 350 (can't remember the exact figure), I have stopped using it myself and moved to HD Labs. I tried to get an answer from them regarding it but they did not respond so all I can advise now is to not use it.

Thanks man. It's very discouraging. And money wasted.

Send it back and get it swapped for another brand.

Thanks. I have contacted the supplier. Waiting for feedback.

Thanks for the valuable feedback guys. This is hugely disappointing to hear. I've been using PGW for more than 10 years and no issues. But if this is not addressed by PGW then that says a lot...

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks for the valuable feedback guys. This is hugely disappointing to hear. I've been using PGW for more than 10 years and no issues. But if this is not addressed by PGW then that says a lot...

Sad story to read.

I have a good friend on PGW test & deca, he has been cycling for about 8 years... he confirmed with me that his batch is Legit as fuck.

I am personally currently using PGW NPP in a mild 300mg cycle to assist with an annoying little injury, and i can also confirm, Product is solid.

animalpak07 - Hope they sort you out quick quick

Oupa wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks for the valuable feedback guys. This is hugely disappointing to hear. I've been using PGW for more than 10 years and no issues. But if this is not addressed by PGW then that says a lot...

Sad story to read.

I have a good friend on PGW test & deca, he has been cycling for about 8 years... he confirmed with me that his batch is Legit as fuck.

I am personally currently using PGW NPP in a mild 300mg cycle to assist with an annoying little injury, and i can also confirm, Product is solid.

animalpak07 - Hope they sort you out quick quick

Yes I got it sorted. My supplier was nice enough to swap it out for HD DepoJect. All is good.

animalpak07 wrote:

Oupa wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: Thanks for the valuable feedback guys. This is hugely disappointing to hear. I've been using PGW for more than 10 years and no issues. But if this is not addressed by PGW then that says a lot...

Sad story to read.

I have a good friend on PGW test & deca, he has been cycling for about 8 years... he confirmed with me that his batch is Legit as fuck.

I am personally currently using PGW NPP in a mild 300mg cycle to assist with an annoying little injury, and i can also confirm, Product is solid.

animalpak07 - Hope they sort you out quick quick

Yes I got it sorted. My supplier was nice enough to swap it out for HD DepoJect. All is good.

Then you have yourself a decent supplier, very few look after one to that level. I'm also using the HD Depo

I hope this is not true about PGW test cyp as I am sitting with six vials delivered a couple of weeks ago.

Sent from my SM-G610F using Tapatalk

Triton wrote: I hope this is not true about PGW test cyp as I am sitting with six vials delivered a couple of weeks ago

Looks like only one batch of raws was bad, hopefully your vials are good but if they aren’t you can contact your supplier.

Triton wrote: I hope this is not true about PGW test cyp as I am sitting with six vials delivered a couple of weeks ago.

Sent from my SM-G610F using Tapatalk

Mine is from these two batch numbers can anyone else confirm the affected batch. Currently I am on TRT so not a train smash if it contains no test as I would definitely feel the difference. But from 1 May I start with my cycle to prepare for a competition including tren and dont want to be surprised after two months as it takes a lot of effort for me to diet down.

Sent from my SM-G610F using Tapatalk

I had issues with 404, I have other 404s here and I have 407s but I haven't used it. I personally won't use it again, probably ever again due to no feedback.