Beginner Cycle

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Draw HCG in syringes in freezer(Vrieskas) so freeze it. Then when you need it put one(frozen) syringe in fridge(yskas) and let it defrost then inject.

My understanding is that extreme temps accelerate the degradation of HCG. I store mine at fridge temps of around 5 DegC - discard after a month. Freezing may not be a good idea?

Hi Guys

if one want to start with the beginner cycle for cutting and strength like proviron and anavar and then clomid and nolva as the PCT. Is proviron very good or is there something to use in it's place or is proviron something like, you pay for what you get? I heard it's a good cycle if your on a lean diet plan and hard work in the gym and achieve good results and help to get the BF% dropped nicely.

Its a good combination and a safe cycle. Winstrol with Proviron might give you slightly better results.

If this is your first cycle ever, forget about everything else and all the nice kak. Do a Test only cycle @ 500 - 600 mg per week.

Just to refer back again to the HCG and dosage..

Week 1 – 12 = Test E @ 500mg weekly
Week 1 – 18 = Proviron @50mg ED
Week 1 – 6 = Tbol Kickstart @ 40mg ED
Week 13 – 18 = Anavar at 40mg ED
Week 19 - 23 = PCT 2 as per the sample cycles
HCG from week 5 @ 500ui weekly
Arimidex on standby for gyno symptoms

If i intend to use pct 2 for my cycle as above, and start using HCG in cycle from week 5 as Oupa suggests, should i still use the HCG in my pct, or stop it when pct start, and only use clomid and nolva?

Oupa - my previous cycle shut me down badly, maybe it was the Winny.. Anyway i want to ensure this doesnt happen again. Should i increase the HCG dose maybe during cycle, and what dosage. Previously used 500iu pw. Or do i simply use pct 1 then as the HCG is used in cycle?

Just start your hcg from week 1 and see how it goes.

Thx Oupa

Do i stick to the 500iu pw?

Yes

@ Spazzz

When will you start with your cycle? Please post your before and after plus progress. Also your current stats if you don't mind.
I like your cycle, so I would like to know the outcome.

Jono

@Jono - sure bro will do! Starting 1 July!

Age: 34
Weight: 83kg
Lenth: 1.86
Bf: +- 13%
Training history: 8 years
Clean diet

Hi guys, Ive decided to keep things simple and go with Test Cyp and DBol along with the HCG after the DBol is discontinued and PCT as in my initial post so I can see how my body would react to these compounds. My question today is if it is recommended to take the DBol everyday or only on my training days? Also which Test is best, Cyp or Enanthate? My understanding is that cypionate is the least painfull? Last but not least what would be the best time to inject?

I have not experienced any pain with the test e pins. Also make sure you pin on the correct spots. The are some nice videos online you can have a look at. Take the dbol everyday. Read up on the different test in the article section

Thanks @Spazzz, also how lean will the gains i make be? Considering my diet is in check and eating clean calories, 500 calories above maintenence? Thanks.