Beginner Cycle

Hey guys. Im planning my first cycle, ive done a lot of research and have come up with what i think is a decent cycle. I have no experience with anabolics so if anyone could help me out i would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Age : 25
Training Experience : 5 years
Weight : Around 90kgs
BF : Im guessing 13%

My diet will be 500 calories above my maintenance of 3000, so 3500 in total. My food will consist of clean sources such as eggs, oats, chicken, rice etc. Im quite familiar with nutrition and eating right and have gained about 12kgs of muscle on my own.

So my proposed cycle will look like so :

* Test Cypionate Week 1 - 10 : 500mg p/week
* DBol Week 1 - 4 : 50mg p/day
* HCG Week 5 - 20 : 500iu p/week
* Proviron Week 11 - 20 : 50mg p/day
* Clomid Week 15 - 16 : 100mg p/day
* Nolva Week 17 - 20 : 20mg p/day

I am aiming to keep a lot of the gains i make and am trying to reduce muscle loss as much as possible. Also reducing HPTA shutdown by including the HCG from week 5 until after PCT.

Any input would be greatly appreciated thanks guys.

Height?
Around 90kg is not accurate.
Guessing 13% won't do most of us are higher than we think...
If you want to hold on to muscle you are going to need a better bridge compound than Proviron...

Please only give advice onve you red the post properly.

You cant use a steroid (proviron) while your in pct phase.

Sorry I missed the Proviron time...

Hi, sorry forgot to mention im 1.80m and my bodyweight fluctuates between 87 - 89 depending on what i eat. The way i understand Proviron is that it blocks a little estrogen and frees up some test and it also has no sides, why do you recommend not using it during PCT Oupa? Thanks for the advice so far guys

Proviron is still androgenic enough to shut you down, so don't use it during PCT.
Also rather use Anavar as an oral at the end of your cycle.

* Test Cypionate Week 1 - 10 : 250mg twice p/week
* DBol Week 1 - 4 : 40mg p/day
* HCG Week 4 - 14 : 250iu twice p/week
* Anavar Week 11 - 14 : 40mg p/day
* Clomid Week 15 : 100mg p/day
* Nolva Week 16 - 19 : 20mg p/day

Have something ready in case sides occur.

Hi Blixem, thanks for your reply mate. Would the Anavar be a good choice during my bridge? Wouldnt it also shut me down like Proviron? Thanks.

If you look at what I posted you will see I'm indicating don't take Anavar during your PCT.
* Anavar Week 11 - 14 : 40mg p/day

You take Anavar at the end of your cycle while waiting for the Test-cyp to clear out.
That is after you are done with Test-cyp, but before you start PCT.

This is your PCT:
* Clomid Week 15 : 100mg p/day
* Nolva Week 16 - 19 : 20mg p/day

Reading about this online can be confusing. The word "bridge" is used for:

• Taking low doses of aas between cycle. Which doesn't really make sense because enough to help you grow will shut down your natural test production. Bridge between cycles


• Taking short half-life orals at the end of your cycle while waiting for longer half-life compounds to clear your system. Back loading your cycle with orals. Bridge to PCT

Hi, thumbs up Blixem.

Am I right if a say you can run Proviron through your cycle (not PCT) the help free up some testosterone?
Then bridge with either winny or Anavar, there after start your pct.
Keep your Arimidex onhand incase, safety first.
Use liver support through your cycle upto 2 week after your pct is completed.

@Wolk, I like your stack. It is something very similar to what Im planning.
Take your before and after photos and keep us updated. Im planning to run later in the year.
O, and something I read: "all roids shuts you down, some just less than others"

Hi Jono

Your cycle is very similar to mine im planning.. You will learn alot on this forum. The senior members here really know their stuff and I have learned alot! I am going to start my 2nd cycle soon looking like this:

Week 1 – 12 = Test E @ 500mg weekly
Week 1 – 18 = Proviron @40mg ED
Week 1 – 6 = Tbol Kickstart @ 40mg ED
Week 13 – 18 = Anavar at 40mg ED
Week 19 - 23 = PCT 1 as per the sample cycles
HCG from week 5 @ 500ui weekly
Arimidex on standby for gyno symptoms

I replace the dbol with tbol, as my research show that its not as harch on the liver as dbol, and also because im very prone to gyno, and dbol i a biatch when it comes to that. Im considering to add Primobolan to the mix as well at 400mg/pw for the 1st 12 weeks.

Good luck bro!

Hi spazz,
Looks like a very nice stack.
Keep me posted on your progress.

I will do Test cypo, Im a bit scared of pinning 300mg. I did super test (320mg) last year and it hurt like hell so I had to drop it.
D-bol or T-bol, Im still deciding but from what you just mentioned I might take the T.

What is your take on winny instead of the anavar 20 as a bridging component.
I know Anavar is much safer and winny shuts you down hard.

Yes it is true. I have see these pros help and guide a lot of guys. Good work.

Thanks for sharing
Jono

Hi guys, I dont really have money for Anavar, its really expensive. So if youre telling me that Proviron will have no real benefits and not really serve any purpose wouldnt it be best just to leave it out and save some money then?

@Jono, Hey man I will look into creating a cycle log when i intend to start think itll be a help for guys out there not knowing what to expect.


@Spazz, Yeah i have also learned a lot from this site, very informative. Hopefully the DBol treats me better haha, but i guess you wont know until you try right?

@Blixem, Take a look at my reply and tell me what you think regarding leaving the proviron and anavar out please mate. Thanks for your advice so far.

Thanks for all the help thus far guys! I was also wondering how much of the muscle i gain i would be able to keep and if i would be able to lean out some while on this cycle? As i stated i would be eating very clean, only 500 cals above maintenence, and also only consume carbs in the mornings and before and after training. I will also drink a lot of water as i have read drinking a lot of water prevents some of the water held back by the DBol.

Thanks a lot guys

Hi Wolk,

Your cycle is very long. I don't like them to long.
If i may advice, use the cycle that Blixem recommended.
Change the anavar to oral winstrol, this will keep you lean and help you to not loose everything you gained.
If you eat right and gym hard you can look at gaining 12kg but only keeping about 7kg.
Proviron you need to run in your cycle (with test) this will max your gains. If you choose to add it.

If you question your own bf%. Post a front, side en rear photo, pyro might help you there.

Cheers

@ Jono & Wolk - correct, the winny shut me down quite badly. Still having issues with my test levels after my pct. Did my bloods last month. I will try the anavar this time. As for the dbol.. I stay away.. but lets see what the tbol will do

At the end, i believe we were all created uniquely, so our bodies react differently to all aspects of training, diet, and yes.. The juice!! So i try to use the safest options based on research and comment from the likes of Oupa, admin, pyro etc...

That my understanding to, will rather spend an extra couple of bucks and go for the anavar.
The hcg is suppose to help with the test shut down, am I correct?
Perhaps there is something else we can add to the pct, I just need to go and read more.

Yup - my understanding too! Maybe my previous dose was not spot on.. Or my HCG wasnt working. The hormone is very sensitive to movement and shaking i read, and also seen some discussions on this forum regarding this topic. But not sure if this is only after its mixed. Mybe Oupa or so can comment?

I have a new batch of Pregnyl, so lets see how this goes when I start my next cycle. I also think i stopped too early with the HCG on my previous cycle. I stopped on week 12 after my last test injection

HCG/Pregnyl is the same thing.
Care must be taken when mixing it though. The water must be ran down sides of the vail very slowly don't let air bubbles or foam form... Draw up your dose in insulin syringes and then freeze. When you need one take it out put in fridge and let it defrost is stays "potent" longer that way. It only holds potency for 3-4weeks when mixed and kept in the fridge. Once mixed/reconstituted it is very fragile so don't bump or shake it...

Hope it helps guys...

Oupa wrote:
Follow these steps

1. Withdraw 2ml air into the syringe ( NO WATER )
2. Remove the cap of the HCG
3. Hold onto the plunger and let the vacuumed HCG vial suck in the 2ml air
4. After its balanced out, remove the syringe and withdraw 2ml water into the syringe
5. Now Slowly drip the water inside the hcg vial and let the water mix with the powder.
6. DO NOT SHAKE, store in the fridge. It should be ready in a few hours.

INJECT THE WATER SLOWLY AND AVOID FOAM OR BUBBLES

I have aslo red that some use the hcg 3 weeks into their pct.

Good luck with the new cycle and keep us posted.

Thanks Rooi Bul, only saw your post while typing this one.

Thx Rooi Bul.. I know its the same

But thx for clarification!!

Hmmm...... So i might have screwed up there.. I used the 2ml amp and 1ml mix. After mixing (as carefully as i can as u explained below) i split the dose into 2 insulin needles and inject one immediately. The other one.. Left in fridge till later the week when injecting my test..

Thx Jono!

Too bad i missed that post from Oupa!!! Thx for reposting! I used the amps and not the vial..

Would you guys rather recommend dropping dbol and proviron and opting for 6 weeks of Anavar at 60mg p/day? How would the gains compare to that of dbol and also the quality of muscle gained, would this muscle be easier to hold on to after cycle? Thanks guys

Var is solid, you'll love it if you're lean.
Dbol is easy come easy go. Gives moon face but it'll be obvious it's in your system.

Hi @Furk, thanks man. What would be considered 'lean'? How much could one expect to gain on such a cycle? So when using HCG it would be better to fill your needles with the HCG and store them in the freezer rather than keeping the vial in the freezer and pulling HCG every time you are going to inject? Im also under the impression that Test Cyp hurts the least, is this true?

thanks

Draw HCG in syringes in freezer(Vrieskas) so freeze it. Then when you need it put one(frozen) syringe in fridge(yskas) and let it defrost then inject.

Thanks @Rooi Bul 86