First test cycle

Apologies daddylove

Thanks for the advice will give that a try. Ya he seems it in his videos honour to have met the king of bodybuilding.

how itchy do you nipples have to be before you take action? im getting just a very slight itch once or twice a day.

If you taking an AI .. add 1 drop extra.. I'm super paranoid.. and those are early signs of tissue growth

00pump wrote: If you taking an AI .. add 1 drop extra.. I'm super paranoid.. and those are early signs of tissue growth

im not taking any AI, just proviron daily. i have tamoxifen, should i start taking it? i feel some tightness in my pecs.

Tamoxifen is now your only option. You should have had an AI on hand in case this happened.

if you can, get an AI ASAP.

Nolva is not ideal

my nipples are not sensitive or sore. maybe once a day it makes a slight itch, very slight. i had my first shot of hcg today and my pecs are tight now. not around the nipples though.

If you've just started HCG and were getting itchy nipples before, it will only get worse with the HCG. An AI should always be on hand or ideally used at a low dose throughout.

Muscleaddict wrote: If you've just started HCG and were getting itchy nipples before, it will only get worse with the HCG. An AI should always be on hand or ideally used at a low dose throughout.

how itchy do the nipples have to be? as i said, mine is barely noticable. i feel more pain in my pecs today after the hcg and i havent worked my chest. lets say things get bad and i need to use the tamoxifen, what would be the dosage protocol etc?

Daddylove get some letro the starting dose is 0.25mg per day so use 3 drops eod I hear its a good idea to taper off it when things have cleared u might want to check up on that.

but my nipples are not sore, puffy or that itchy? just the slightest itch every now and then. what determines the start of gyno? how itchy/sore does it need to be and how frequent?

daddylove wrote: but my nipples are not sore, puffy or that itchy? just the slightest itch every now and then. what determines the start of gyno? how itchy/sore does it need to be and how frequent?

Are your nipples itchy every day when you are off cycle? I have a feeling that they are completely normal when off cycle, which means that what you are feeling is due to what you are taking.

Itchy nipples are itchy nipples and you must make the itching go away because it means something is wrong.

Daddylove this is how I see it been ur first cycle u still don't know if u are gyno prone or not. If u aren't prone its best to not run an AI on cycle but if u are then obviously u must. I would give it a week and see wot happens if there is no improvement take action with the letro till it clears stop the letro and see if it stays away if not then go onto arimidex at 0.25mg eod better suited for a period of time than letro which is better short term been so potent. U can adjust doses accordingly on how ur body responds then u will have a better idea on where u stand with how sensitive u are to gyno and can put things in place for future cycles. Don't just go on my word check other sources and find what's going to be best for u everyones different.

lobo wrote: Daddylove this is how I see it been ur first cycle u still don't know if u are gyno prone or not. If u aren't prone its best to not run an AI on cycle but if u are then obviously u must. I would give it a week and see wot happens if there is no improvement take action with the letro till it clears stop the letro and see if it stays away if not then go onto arimidex at 0.25mg eod better suited for a period of time than letro which is better short term been so potent. U can adjust doses accordingly on how ur body responds then u will have a better idea on where u stand with how sensitive u are to gyno and can put things in place for future cycles. Don't just go on my word check other sources and find what's going to be best for u everyones different.

No need to switch from Letro to Adex.

Mason if one was going to put either into a cycle from the begining is letro not too harsh long term because it kills estrogen so drastically where as arimidex is a bit milder and its good to have some estrogen? Or is it dose related with the letro? Which would u say hinders gains more on cycle?

Letro is harsher but if you have found the correct dose its a nice economic alternative. Adex is pricier but not as harsh on the system


The studies that showed Letro to kill estrogen was administered at 2.5mg a day. With LP Letrozole we using 0.2-0.6mg a day.

Letro takes some time to reach stable blood levels. this is why pump says start it two weeks before you start.

Adex will work a little quicker.

But nothing wrong with a low maintenance dose of either from the start of a cycle.

Remember to taper off though. With both.

Shot for clearing that up Mason seems like there so approaches to AIs and serms out there.

what do you guys feel about the brand PGW? iv heard its cheap test. i also thought so when i saw the packaging. i heard it can perhaps make you more prone to gyno even?

Scientifically that can only happen if you compare it to other labs that have under dosed products

daddylove wrote: what do you guys feel about the brand PGW? iv heard its cheap test. i also thought so when i saw the packaging. i heard it can perhaps make you more prone to gyno even?

Then you haven't seen the packaging.

Yes daddylove price might be cheap but the quality is right up there solid brand.

Just looking for some feedback. Im in week 7 of my test only cycle. The first bottle of test e (pgw) did not burn or hurt after injecting. Now the second bottle burns while im injecting and after the shots the area gets really hard with scar tissue and burns for a few days, even after 1 shot on the other side it went hard. The technique has not changed at all.

anyone?

It happens dude don't over-analyse it. Your next vial it will be pain free again. Luck of the draw.