Life begins at 40!

Thanks Fillet,

I will get some cabergoline immediately.
To be honest, my sexual function has improved a lot lately, but it might just be the test? Regardless, I will get Caber asap and take for at least a month after deca cycle ends.

With the exception of the odd day where the nipples have been slightly sensitive, I have had no real soreness, and no puffiness, itchiness or lumps. So not going to take the Femara.

Warm Regards, Nate

Hi Oupa,

I have been gyming like a monster but will agree that the results seemed surprising to me as well. To be honest I didn't know what good or bad improvements were.

I do know that my shirts are feeling tight already. And its definitely not water retention. A mate actually mentioned to me he thought I looked leaner in the face. And I think the extra body fat I may be carrying is all in the gut.

I also never really was a big eater and never had breakfast really, so believe it or not the diet I mentioned yesterday is SUBSTANTIALLY more then I was consuming before.

I just thought after the mistake with the body fat percentage, I would go get measurements taken properly for you. And keep going to the same guy for updates in order to map progress properly.
How often should I do update measurements?

Maybe I should get a mate to take pics ocassionally?

Nevertheless, am I okay to finish my cycle from your experience now that we have established the correct measurements and body fat percentage.
I really feel like it is making a major difference Oupa. I can see it in the mirror and my strength has increased dramatically.

Warm Regards, Nate

Thanks Cyclo,

Down to 12,8% as of formal measurements taken this morning.

My calorie intake has literally tripled I kid you not. I was never a big eater, one meal a day if I wasn't training. Now I am forcing myself.
I know whey shakes are not a replacement for solid food, but even when I totally do not feel like consuming anything, I force myself to make the shakes at the very least.

I will stop the Anavar immediately then. Are you sure? Been taking it for almost a month. Is it simply because it Cuts too much?
Will the Test and Deca twice a week, and the proviron be good enough then until I get to my bridge period?
My metabolism is still pretty quick. Not what it was but better then most my age I reckon. I have never been ripped but certainly have always been lean. When I was a runner I was pretty much a twig. The gut only really started after quitting running, and from bad diet and fizzy cooldrinks.

I told my doc yes. He wasn't exactly pleased.

Warm Regards, Nate

Oupa, Pyro (or anyone...) please correct me if I'm wrong.

There is nothing wrong with taking the Anavar but it would be better served to time it near the end of cycle and during bridge.

That will help lean you out and retain the gains during PCT.

Another option is to carry on with the Anavar and bridge with Tbol.

But seeing this is your first cycle it may be a bit much.

Hi Cyclo,

Thanks for the feedback.

I think the Anavar was recommended to me up front because my bodyfat was a little higher then it should be. I genuinely feel like the Anavar has also given me much more strength at the gym.
I will cut it out if everyone agrees, but over the course of the month, I increased from 20mg to 40mg (2 tablets a day). I was thinking that in the last month of pinning and during the bridge I could then increase to 60mg a day?

Can I also confirm that I should double my daily intake of proviron. 25mg tab in the morning and 25mg tab in the afternoon?

Also confirming that I will add 0,5mg tab of Cabergoline every 5 days from now until 4 weeks after my last deca shot.

Lastly, just as an overview:
I will pin my last test and deca of the cycle on Friday June 6th.
Is the recommended bridge period 2 weeks after last pin before the PCT begins?

When do I start with the Tbol? Do I continue with the Anavar and the Proviron through the bridge period right up until I start with the PCT?

And finally, my PCT cycle:
Day 1-7: 2x 50mg Clomid
Day 8-37: 1x 20mg Nolvadex per day / 1x 20mg Aromasin per day

What about the Pregnyl? I did read a few articles on Ovidrel as well. But I know it is one or the other. Suggestions? I know Ovidrel would be taken from Day 8 of PCT. But when is it recommended to start the Pregnyl (HCG) if I choose that?

Warm Regards, Nate

Shit no bro!
Two weeks to pct after last deca shot will not be effective, you had might as well throw your pct meds in the bin! Its more like 54 days before pct. Give us chance to look at your test blend. You will probably need some prop with the long wait to pct.
50mg proviron is fine
What brand of juice are you using?
You should be on hcg now at 250iuX2 per week up to your pct
Pct is clomid 7 days, nolva and aromasin for 30 days.
Busy now but we can have a look in the morning about all you have mentioned.

Oupa wrote:
Based on your diet and cycle your cm gains in 4 weeks does not make sense.

I agree, however, the previous measurements were taken of dormant muscle fibers by someone inexperienced and really keen on starting small in order to post impressive gains. The huge subsequent caloric change combined with heavy training, AAS, cell volumising aminos (likely), furious flexing, and unavoidable human biases can lead to exaggerated, but honest results.
Future readings should paint a more realistic picture

Welcome Nate!
Here's hoping you continue your journey and build a physique that would scare the pants off your 20 year old self
Regardless of what steroid decisions you make, be sure to train with intensity and eat with purpose. The results will come.

Nate40 wrote: Hi Cyclo,

Thanks for the feedback.

I think the Anavar was recommended to me up front because my bodyfat was a little higher then it should be. I genuinely feel like the Anavar has also given me much more strength at the gym.
I will cut it out if everyone agrees, but over the course of the month, I increased from 20mg to 40mg (2 tablets a day). I was thinking that in the last month of pinning and during the bridge I could then increase to 60mg a day?

Can I also confirm that I should double my daily intake of proviron. 25mg tab in the morning and 25mg tab in the afternoon?

Also confirming that I will add 0,5mg tab of Cabergoline every 5 days from now until 4 weeks after my last deca shot.

Lastly, just as an overview:
I will pin my last test and deca of the cycle on Friday June 6th.
Is the recommended bridge period 2 weeks after last pin before the PCT begins?

When do I start with the Tbol? Do I continue with the Anavar and the Proviron through the bridge period right up until I start with the PCT?

And finally, my PCT cycle:
Day 1-7: 2x 50mg Clomid
Day 8-37: 1x 20mg Nolvadex per day / 1x 20mg Aromasin per day

What about the Pregnyl? I did read a few articles on Ovidrel as well. But I know it is one or the other. Suggestions? I know Ovidrel would be taken from Day 8 of PCT. But when is it recommended to start the Pregnyl (HCG) if I choose that?

Warm Regards, Nate

Okay, start test prop after your last pin of test blend and deca, since you will need to wait 54 days to pct after deca shot you will need to remain as anabolic as possible. Test prop will be pinned at 150mg every other day. Last shot of prop will need to be on day 40 of your waiting period. Wait 14 days thereafter and PCT. Remember to start your HCG now and your caber now. Its always a good idea to use your test and caber past discontinuation of deca.

Any better ideas from the forum please do suggest.

Thank you LXIX. I really appreciate the awesome words. Looking forward to consistent changes with hard work. Regards, Nate.

Hi Fillet,

Thanks for the brilliant insight my bro.

I am currently using two Alpha Pharma products: Nandrobolin-250 (Deca) and Induject-250, a test blend. I have been told they are both good quality no bullshit products.

So the Bridge Period from last pin of deca to start of PCT is 54 days?
In that Bridge period I can continue taking the Proviron, the Anavar and the Cabergoline (for at least 4 weeks or so after last deca pin).
I should pin 150mg of test Prop every second day after my last Deca and Test Blend Shots on June 6th for 40 days.
Cyclo mentioned T-Bol. Is this necessary as well during the bridge?

So I need to start the HCG (Pregnyl) at 250iuX2 per week now as well? Wow. If my last Deca pin is 6 June and the period before PCT another 54 days then effectively my PCT would only begin on July 30th? That's 112 days away? Do I take Pregnyl that whole time?

With 37 days of PCT with the Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin, that would mean my first cycle would only end on September 6th?

Dude you helping me big time. Learning everyday from you guys. You can read up on this stuff as much as you want, but would be nowhere if I hadn't joined this site.

Once I have confirmed all the details in my own head, I will do an overview of my entire cycle from first pin to PCT end. Learning everyday.

Warm Regards, Nate

Nate40 wrote: Hi Fillet,

Thanks for the brilliant insight my bro.

I am currently using two Alpha Pharma products: Nandrobolin-250 (Deca) and Induject-250, a test blend. I have been told they are both good quality no bullshit products.

So the Bridge Period from last pin of deca to start of PCT is 54 days? YE
In that Bridge period I can continue taking the Proviron, the Anavar and the Cabergoline (for at least 4 weeks or so after last deca pin). Correct
I should pin 150mg of test Prop every second day after my last Deca and Test Blend Shots on June 6th for 40 days. This was my suggestion to keep you off to many orals
Cyclo mentioned T-Bol. Is this necessary as well during the bridge? Choice is yours, i would use prop

So I need to start the HCG (Pregnyl) at 250iuX2 per week now as well? Wow. If my last Deca pin is 6 June and the period before PCT another 54 days then effectively my PCT would only begin on July 30th? That's 112 days away? Do I take Pregnyl that whole time? HCG up to PCT or you will have raisins for nuts, yes

With 37 days of PCT with the Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin, that would mean my first cycle would only end on September 6th? 7 days clomid at 100mg, 30 days Nolva and aromasin at 20mg ea daily

Dude you helping me big time. Learning everyday from you guys. You can read up on this stuff as much as you want, but would be nowhere if I hadn't joined this site.

Once I have confirmed all the details in my own head, I will do an overview of my entire cycle from first pin to PCT end. Learning everyday.

Warm Regards, Nate

Dude this is brilliant. Thank you.

I think pinning the test prop in that long bridge period as you said will help keep me anabolic. Unless the forum disagrees I will go with this advice over the Tbol.

Dude I really didn't know I needed to be taking the Pregnyl already. I havent noticed a change in the size of the testicles thank goodness so glad to get this advice now. Will get some immediately. I take it twice a week on the same days I pin? And until my PCT starts on July 30th?
HCG is just the technical name for Pregnyl?

PCT Cycle understood. Thanks bro. I feel like sending strippers around as a gift.

Warm Regards, Nate

UPDATE on NATE40

Hi Guys,

As promised I took a few corny selfies on my crap phone today - a month into my very first cycle.
My weight and measurements are up amazingly from where I was in February.
My nickname has always been twig and I hope that this is is the start of that not being the case anymore.
Although I know I am still VERY far from the physiques of you guys, I am inspired to continue this transformation one day at a time because of many of you.
I have been hitting the gym really hard and each day I feel stronger and better.

Thank you to all of you on here who have helped me so far. My goal is for this old man to make you all proud in 2 or 3 years time.

I tried posting a few pics but can't seem to figure out how to do that. So for the moment I just changed my profile pic.

Warm Regards,

Nate

Tinypic.com

Carry on soldier

PS dont take the photos to low down lol, mostly dudes on this site!

Please show legs though. Don't have to do it neked.

I am turning 42 this year and wanted to get back into competition shape and planning on more than 18 months for that to happen.

The difference here is I have been hitting the gym since I was 15 way back when before there was planet fitness. I used to train in Hillbrow at Sam Busa and American health, if anyone on here is old enough to remember them . Back then I picked up all my training tips from the bodybuilders who trained there and even then they told me to lay off the juice till I had been at it long enough.

2 months of gym is still a beginner you need to be at it a lot longer than that before you even consider using steroids. You will be surprised how much gains you make naturally with a good training routine that includes lots of rest and a solid high protein diet.Then when you stop making gains after a few years of hard work then consider the steroids and be prepared to put in even harder work.

You are taking a lot for a first cycle you should have checked out the beginner sample cycle on here. I wish when I first used steroids I had the information I had now.

To give you an example back when, pyramiding your steroids was the done thing PCT was a term I had never heard of. My first cycle was Veterinary Testan and Anapolan and I can thank my lucky stars I never did any permanent damage to myself. My next cycle was Primobolan and Equipoise as the logic back then that Test was bad for you to androgenic and so the bad change room science went on. I would even pin with the same needle I used to draw with. The only positive thing was steroids were only schedule 3 drugs in those days and I used to buy it from a friendly pharmacist who later got bust on Carte Blanche.

I have just started my first cycle last week and I am taking it very easy only using Test cyp and Proviron. Keep in mind that after 40 shit happens and you need to be cautious you as dont have the internal organs of a 20 year old.

I will probably pick up slack for saying this but I wouldn't use anything other than Test , Proviron or Primabolon at my age. As tempting as a Dianbol bulking cycle is or the Lure of Tren I need to be honest with myself and know that I am too old to bounce back if anything goes wrong and there is always that chance.

The guys on here are giving you gems and it is solid advice that you should take seriously,there are no shortcuts to getting big everyone had to start somewhere so be patient,this is a lifestyle you can follow well into old age if you do it right and dont kill yourself by trying the wrong approach.

Have some karma tumbleweed, good words there.
I also went to natural max before using steroids at 32, trained for years
Nate was already on so you gotta help a brother out instead of watching him fall but i am sure he will ask about future cycles before jumping on. Good luck to yourself and Nate...

How much training years do you have left when reaching forty? Dont think you have enough years left to reach your natural peak.

Haha good advice thanks Fillet. Sorry about that

Haha okay. Will try take one of legs. Thanks Pyro.
To be honest I always thought the tiny little posing speedos seemed a bit pointless. Maybe its just my greek background lol.

Thank you Tumbleweed.

I really appreciate the kind and honest words bro.
Your advice is readily accepted and it is because of guys like yourself that I continue to learn and grow everyday.

The cycle I am on is making me grow like a monster, but am fully aware of many of the increased risks at my age. But I will do an extended bridge as Fillet suggested and a proper PCT.

Shot, Nate

Just testing tinypic.com.

http://*****

Is it working? Nate

EDIT: Keep the pics above the pubes please. Or lack thereof. :lol:

Seriously dude that is a bit much for our eyes to see. Wtf. *scarred*

Bud this a Body building site not some gay porn site... :sick: