Doctari wrote: Vega, I think at the dosage you are at with your Testosterone and Deca, you are already at such high levels of cortisol, just adding orals now at this stage, in my opinion, will be a waste. What you guys must understand, is that after 3-4 weeks of AAS, your body starts producung much higher levels of cortisol to counteract the AAS 's effect. That's why we all stop gaining much after 4 weeks into the cycles and then need to up the doses by quite a bit. The gains in the latter part of your cycle is usually not much.... It's like a dog chasing its own tail, up the dose and immediately your adrenals start pumping out more anti-anabolic cortisol.... Just counter productive.
Here's what I would suggest:
- leave your orals for now.
- start your PCT in the correct manner and timing.
- solidify your gains by suppressing your cortisol levels as much as possible. Start using mirtazipine for 4 weeks, add in avena sativa and Longifolia jack, use some phasphatedyl-serine if you can get it. A good product combination for this is a product called Brutal Jack by BioSync - I will discuss it within the next couple of days. There was a combination of Ephadrine/caffeine 2 days on and then 2 days of Clen as a cycle I discussed in a thread earlier on - go on it!
- waite a good 6-8 weeks after your PCT and the above suggestions have been finished. Then hit a cutting cycle if you want to.
- the next time you want to go on AAS bulking cycle, try to use it only for 4 weeks, but combine orals and injectables immediately as from day one and hit high doses, aim for 1,5 - 2 grams per week if you can. Stay at the same dose for the full 4 weeks. Watch your gains every 2 days. Somewhere by week 4-5 you will notice that you don't gain anymore - cortisol has now caught up and you stop your AAS dosing and start the PCT/Cortisol suppressing cycle immediately.
I gaurantee you will have better results.......
Based on the above... For a user that is not using Cortisol Supressing drugs, would it be any benefit of doing cycles longer than 6 weeks??
And where would one get the ingredients above that supress cortisol levels? Would dischem stock them, without a prescription??
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